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simonkabz
#141 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:22:26 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Impunity wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Subject or topic is simply the object being studied.

It applies to all attempts to establish the truth. Because unless the truth is established everything else is just opinion based on perception.


The subject, is in fact, an object? Meaning, existing seperately and independent of the philosopher, and his intentions?


Not always because the philosopher could be his own object.The study of self.


Where is this discussion heading to?
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Let me ask on your behalf, is there any philosophy in matters airport?


Hahaha.What is your take on matters airport? Freud was a psychologist particularly interested in all matters airport.


Lol! Sigmund was a nut case. Most of his theories were related to one airport matter or the other. Oedipus Complex was the ultimate bomb.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
ChessMaster
#142 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:34:15 PM
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Joined: 2/23/2009
Posts: 1,626
simonkabz wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Impunity wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Subject or topic is simply the object being studied.

It applies to all attempts to establish the truth. Because unless the truth is established everything else is just opinion based on perception.


The subject, is in fact, an object? Meaning, existing seperately and independent of the philosopher, and his intentions?


Not always because the philosopher could be his own object.The study of self.


Where is this discussion heading to?
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Let me ask on your behalf, is there any philosophy in matters airport?


Hahaha.What is your take on matters airport? Freud was a psychologist particularly interested in all matters airport.


Lol! Sigmund was a nut case. Most of his theories were related to one airport matter or the other. Oedipus Complex was the ultimate bomb.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Landing was always on his mind.Btw do you know he was the uncle of the father of P.R,Edward Barneys who actually used Freud's theories in an exceptional way.

But I think some of his theories were sound but interpreted wrongly even though he put it wrongly. For example,Oedipus complex.In my view,people will either date someone like their mother figure or the opposite the mother figure. What do you think?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
josiah33
#143 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:40:14 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I agree. Time is not a independent quantity but measured using space.Its a utility. But I disagree with psychological time. The mind has no time you can think of the past,present or future at any moment but present captures your attention

I think you didn't read this part:
Linear time “past- present-future” is psychological time. Physical time is run of clocks in
a space. Motion that we experience through psychological time happens in space that is
timeless; past, present and future do not exist in space.

The past, present and future we experience through 'psychological time' or rather our perception of time happens in space that is timeless.
simonkabz
#144 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:41:00 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 3/2/2007
Posts: 8,776
Location: Cameroon
ChessMaster wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Impunity wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Subject or topic is simply the object being studied.

It applies to all attempts to establish the truth. Because unless the truth is established everything else is just opinion based on perception.


The subject, is in fact, an object? Meaning, existing seperately and independent of the philosopher, and his intentions?


Not always because the philosopher could be his own object.The study of self.


Where is this discussion heading to?
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Let me ask on your behalf, is there any philosophy in matters airport?


Hahaha.What is your take on matters airport? Freud was a psychologist particularly interested in all matters airport.


Lol! Sigmund was a nut case. Most of his theories were related to one airport matter or the other. Oedipus Complex was the ultimate bomb.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Landing was always on his mind.Btw do you know he was the uncle of the father of P.R,Edward Barneys who actually used Freud's theories in an exceptional way.

But I think some of his theories were sound but interpreted wrongly even though he put it wrongly. For example,Oedipus complex.In my view,people will either date someone like their mother figure or the opposite the mother figure. What do you think?


weee chessman, usianze kuniuliza maswali ngumu nikiwa hungover namna this. Labda ubonge kuhusu philosophy ya ma tusker na kwanini wanaume wanajiumizaga na hangi.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
ChessMaster
#145 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:48:32 PM
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Joined: 2/23/2009
Posts: 1,626
josiah33 wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I agree. Time is not a independent quantity but measured using space.Its a utility. But I disagree with psychological time. The mind has no time you can think of the past,present or future at any moment but present captures your attention

I think you didn't read this part:
Linear time “past- present-future” is psychological time. Physical time is run of clocks in
a space. Motion that we experience through psychological time happens in space that is
timeless; past, present and future do not exist in space.

The past, present and future we experience through 'psychological time' or rather our perception of time happens in space that is timeless.


Psychological time is a creation of our own minds. It doesn't really exist. Time in space does exist,when something changes from one state to another,that is time.Without time,space would be constant.

@simonkabz - Me I do it for a break.There are days I just need to relax my mind and make a few mistakes.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#146 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:52:46 PM
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Landing is a very serious matter.
tycho
#147 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:54:25 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I agree. Time is not a independent quantity but measured using space.Its a utility. But I disagree with psychological time. The mind has no time you can think of the past,present or future at any moment but present captures your attention

I think you didn't read this part:
Linear time “past- present-future” is psychological time. Physical time is run of clocks in
a space. Motion that we experience through psychological time happens in space that is
timeless; past, present and future do not exist in space.

The past, present and future we experience through 'psychological time' or rather our perception of time happens in space that is timeless.


Psychological time is a creation of our own minds. It doesn't really exist. Time in space does exist,when something changes from one state to another,that is time.Without time,space would be constant.

@simonkabz - Me I do it for a break.There are days I just need to relax my mind and make a few mistakes.


The mind exists.
ChessMaster
#148 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:01:08 PM
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Joined: 2/23/2009
Posts: 1,626
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I agree. Time is not a independent quantity but measured using space.Its a utility. But I disagree with psychological time. The mind has no time you can think of the past,present or future at any moment but present captures your attention

I think you didn't read this part:
Linear time “past- present-future” is psychological time. Physical time is run of clocks in
a space. Motion that we experience through psychological time happens in space that is
timeless; past, present and future do not exist in space.

The past, present and future we experience through 'psychological time' or rather our perception of time happens in space that is timeless.


Psychological time is a creation of our own minds. It doesn't really exist. Time in space does exist,when something changes from one state to another,that is time.Without time,space would be constant.

@simonkabz - Me I do it for a break.There are days I just need to relax my mind and make a few mistakes.


The mind exists.


I think it does but I have no clue what it is.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
josiah33
#149 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:07:59 PM
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Joined: 1/27/2011
Posts: 1,777
ChessMaster wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I agree. Time is not a independent quantity but measured using space.Its a utility. But I disagree with psychological time. The mind has no time you can think of the past,present or future at any moment but present captures your attention

I think you didn't read this part:
Linear time “past- present-future” is psychological time. Physical time is run of clocks in
a space. Motion that we experience through psychological time happens in space that is
timeless; past, present and future do not exist in space.

The past, present and future we experience through 'psychological time' or rather our perception of time happens in space that is timeless.


Psychological time is a creation of our own minds. It doesn't really exist. Time in space does exist,when something changes from one state to another,that is time.Without time,space would be constant.


Mind is creating time;
consciousness has ability to watch time as a mind model. Time is a model of
the mind, mind is temporal, consciousness is atemporal.

Human conviction that with clocks one measures time cannot be
proved by an experiment, as time cannot be observed by senses (sight).
Human senses confirm that with clocks one measures duration, speed and
numerical order of material changes that run into physical space. The
smallest unit of duration and numerical order of material changes is Planck
time, the largest is light year. Material changes itself have no duration, they
only a have numerical order. A scientist gives material changes duration by
measuring them with clocks; time is an epiphenomenon of the measured
duration of material change. Time does not run into universe on its own.
Universe is an atemporal phenomenon (1,2,3). One has to distinguish
between motion and time. Motion of material objects happens in space only,
and time is a scientific tool that allows us to experience motion in the linear
sense “past-present-future”. One has to be aware that “past-present-future”
are human inventions, that there is no time in the universe as we experience it. With our senses we can observe only motion in space. This
motion we are experiencing in time is a mind model.
Albert Einstein was right by saying: »Space and time are modes by which
we think, not conditions under which we live«. Time -- the time that we
know through clocks and calendars -- was invented.

The idea of Atemporal Universe is upgrading the Theory of Relativity in a
sense that space-time is merely a mathematical model used in science to
describe material change running into physical space that itself is
atemporal. Time does not run into space on its own. Material change runs
into atemporal space.
ChessMaster
#150 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:16:50 PM
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@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#151 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:40:48 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I agree. Time is not a independent quantity but measured using space.Its a utility. But I disagree with psychological time. The mind has no time you can think of the past,present or future at any moment but present captures your attention

I think you didn't read this part:
Linear time “past- present-future” is psychological time. Physical time is run of clocks in
a space. Motion that we experience through psychological time happens in space that is
timeless; past, present and future do not exist in space.

The past, present and future we experience through 'psychological time' or rather our perception of time happens in space that is timeless.


Psychological time is a creation of our own minds. It doesn't really exist. Time in space does exist,when something changes from one state to another,that is time.Without time,space would be constant.

@simonkabz - Me I do it for a break.There are days I just need to relax my mind and make a few mistakes.


The mind exists.


I think it does but I have no clue what it is.


The mind is the perception system of ultimate being.
ChessMaster
#152 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:48:40 PM
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What is ultimate being if not God?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
Impunity
#153 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:51:03 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning.


Beginning > The point in time or space at which something starts.

But time doesn't exist so we cannot exclusively define beginning.

Can we have an end without a beginning?
d'oh! d'oh!
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

tycho
#154 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:51:18 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
What is ultimate being if not God?


Yes. God, is ultimate being.
ChessMaster
#155 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:57:41 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
What is ultimate being if not God?


Yes. God, is ultimate being.



Applause

When I understood that,i realized why the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#156 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:04:33 PM
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Impunity wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning.


Beginning > The point in time or space at which something starts.

But time doesn't exist so we cannot exclusively define beginning.

Can we have an end without a beginning?
d'oh! d'oh!


The question you have asked uses 'time' in two ways at the same time.

First you use it as a concept, and you finish by using it as an essence.

Therefore you cannot get a 'true' answer.

But time and eternity are compatible. And there's neither beginning or ending, in essence.
ChessMaster
#157 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:07:14 PM
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Impunity wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning.


Beginning > The point in time or space at which something starts.

But time doesn't exist so we cannot exclusively define beginning.

Can we have an end without a beginning?
d'oh! d'oh!


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Another question,does space have a beginning?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
josiah33
#158 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:21:02 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning.

Try and figure out what this mean, maybe there's some clue there-
Quote:
eternity is neither infinitely back from the present moment nor infinitely ahead from the present moment, eternity is contained in atemporal space, it meaning in this present moment.


I am having a headache just trying to understand what that means.
ChessMaster
#159 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:32:02 PM
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josiah33 wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning.

Try and figure out what this mean, maybe there's some clue there-
Quote:
eternity is neither infinitely back from the present moment nor infinitely ahead from the present moment, eternity is contained in atemporal space, it's meaning in this present moment.


I am having a headache just trying to understand what that means.


Eternity starts with 0+1+1+....infinity. You can't infinitely count back to the past because you reach to zero at some point.The start. Each moment of progression is a moment in eternity because even eternity plays out moment by moment.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#160 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:35:28 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Impunity wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
@josiah33 - I think we are in agreement. Because what you've said is how I'm thinking about it. Now let me ask you a question,if time doesn't exist,define beginning.


Beginning > The point in time or space at which something starts.

But time doesn't exist so we cannot exclusively define beginning.

Can we have an end without a beginning?
d'oh! d'oh!


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Another question,does space have a beginning?


Your question again falls into the above trap.

And thinking about it, it was the same trap that led to the 'Tychonic system' which was Tycho Brahe's attempt to reconcile religion and science in the early days of the Scientific revolution.

He was sure that Man was 'the' center of the universe, but natural science, had shown that the earth wasn't the center of the universe, even in terms of 'attention'.

Tycho had to cling on the idea that the sun and moon moved around the earth, while the other planets revolved around the sun.

But now we can modify the Tychonic system as:

Man, is the Unifier of the perception to ultimate being, and is thus, at 'the' center of the universe.
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