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'Brave new world' - conversation on postmodern cosmology.
tycho
#41 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:57:19 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Can time be described as also a measurement of change in the state of energy?


Yes. Space and time are also conceptual frame works as shown by Kant.

But time, in itself, is energy.


Interesting,how?


The universe, is a complex of energy relations, mediated through perception.

And perception is about ordering, and organizing energy forms to promote and secure the 'I'.

Ordering implies concepts. And yet these concepts are energy systems.
tycho
#42 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:00:55 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Just the answer I wanted to hear. Go on


You need to ask a question.
ChessMaster
#43 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:06:01 PM
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Does that mean time is a derivative of energy not energy?

What is Man God in terms of identity and beyond?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#44 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:14:33 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Does that mean time is a derivative of energy not energy?

What is Man God in terms of identity and beyond?


A derivative of energy is energy. But conceptually we say, a form of energy.

There's 'nothing' beyond identity. Only action according to the laws. Being. Ever being.
josiah33
#45 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:15:31 PM
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ChessMaster
#46 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:19:54 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Does that mean time is a derivative of energy not energy?

What is Man God in terms of identity and beyond?


A derivative of energy is energy. But conceptually we say, a form of energy.

There's 'nothing' beyond identity. Only action according to the laws. Being. Ever being.


Seems you know. Now just confirm,how important is consciousness in Man God?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#47 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:32:39 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Does that mean time is a derivative of energy not energy?

What is Man God in terms of identity and beyond?


A derivative of energy is energy. But conceptually we say, a form of energy.

There's 'nothing' beyond identity. Only action according to the laws. Being. Ever being.


Seems you know. Now just confirm,how important is consciousness in Man God?


Consciousness is of vital importance. Another way of looking at it is 'Presence', in ultimate being.
ChessMaster
#48 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:40:09 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Does that mean time is a derivative of energy not energy?

What is Man God in terms of identity and beyond?


A derivative of energy is energy. But conceptually we say, a form of energy.

There's 'nothing' beyond identity. Only action according to the laws. Being. Ever being.


Seems you know. Now just confirm,how important is consciousness in Man God?


Consciousness is of vital importance. Another way of looking at it is 'Presence', in ultimate being.


Explain 'Presence'.To me consciousness is everything and is what defines Man God
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#49 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:47:19 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Does that mean time is a derivative of energy not energy?

What is Man God in terms of identity and beyond?


A derivative of energy is energy. But conceptually we say, a form of energy.

There's 'nothing' beyond identity. Only action according to the laws. Being. Ever being.


Seems you know. Now just confirm,how important is consciousness in Man God?


Consciousness is of vital importance. Another way of looking at it is 'Presence', in ultimate being.


Explain 'Presence'.To me consciousness is everything and is what defines Man God


It's not just about consciousness, like in awareness of ultimate being, but also emotiveness, or worship.

This is the meaning of presence.
ChessMaster
#50 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:52:55 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Does that mean time is a derivative of energy not energy?

What is Man God in terms of identity and beyond?


A derivative of energy is energy. But conceptually we say, a form of energy.

There's 'nothing' beyond identity. Only action according to the laws. Being. Ever being.


Seems you know. Now just confirm,how important is consciousness in Man God?


Consciousness is of vital importance. Another way of looking at it is 'Presence', in ultimate being.


Explain 'Presence'.To me consciousness is everything and is what defines Man God


It's not just about consciousness, like in awareness of ultimate being, but also emotiveness, or worship.

This is the meaning of presence.


We are in agreement when it comes to Man God.I think that knowledge is my greatest discovery.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
ChessMaster
#51 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:17:01 PM
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Another crazy Nassim Harrim question,the universe is like a ballon.Always expanding,who's doing the blowing?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#52 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:15:29 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Another crazy Nassim Harrim question,the universe is like a ballon.Always expanding,who's doing the blowing?


The balloon is blowing itself through its complex energy systems.
tycho
#53 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:55:29 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Does that mean time is a derivative of energy not energy?

What is Man God in terms of identity and beyond?


A derivative of energy is energy. But conceptually we say, a form of energy.

There's 'nothing' beyond identity. Only action according to the laws. Being. Ever being.


Seems you know. Now just confirm,how important is consciousness in Man God?


Consciousness is of vital importance. Another way of looking at it is 'Presence', in ultimate being.


Explain 'Presence'.To me consciousness is everything and is what defines Man God


It's not just about consciousness, like in awareness of ultimate being, but also emotiveness, or worship.

This is the meaning of presence.


We are in agreement when it comes to Man God.I think that knowledge is my greatest discovery.


I am very glad and honored to hear this. You are most welcome to nobility!

This, is Revolution.
ChessMaster
#54 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 8:21:20 PM
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I'm afraid such a revolution is too personal to reach the masses.But then again the message still needs to be spread. I now understand,your direction with networking and communication.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#55 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 8:29:06 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
I'm afraid such a revolution is too personal to reach the masses.But then again the message still needs to be spread. I now understand,your direction with networking and communication.


This, is the kind of Revolution that is authentic. It has never been about the masses.

It is about personal conversation, and transformation.
ChessMaster
#56 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 8:33:18 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
I'm afraid such a revolution is too personal to reach the masses.But then again the message still needs to be spread. I now understand,your direction with networking and communication.


This, is the kind of Revolution that is authentic. It has never been about the masses.

It is about personal conversation, and transformation.


Its about quality not quantity.So true.Very few people like personal conversation.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#57 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 9:22:24 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
I'm afraid such a revolution is too personal to reach the masses.But then again the message still needs to be spread. I now understand,your direction with networking and communication.


This, is the kind of Revolution that is authentic. It has never been about the masses.

It is about personal conversation, and transformation.


Its about quality not quantity.So true.Very few people like personal conversation.


This is because of lack of consciousness of identity. But look around, this consciousness is spreading fast.
ChessMaster
#58 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:43:33 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
I'm afraid such a revolution is too personal to reach the masses.But then again the message still needs to be spread. I now understand,your direction with networking and communication.


This, is the kind of Revolution that is authentic. It has never been about the masses.

It is about personal conversation, and transformation.


Its about quality not quantity.So true.Very few people like personal conversation.


This is because of lack of consciousness of identity. But look around, this consciousness is spreading fast.


Yes it is.I get much satisfaction from that.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
Wakanyugi
#59 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 12:24:56 AM
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Why time does not exist – part 1

I’ll keep this really simple.

1. Let us start with old man Einstein: “The only reason for time is so that everything doesn’t happen at once,” he said.

2. Time as we know it today - clock time - is largely an Anglo German invention. My mother still counts the hours of the day from the hour of daylight. So do Ethiopians and many other people.

3. Time is not absolute, nor perceived the same by different cultures. Think about this: what is ‘time’ in your mother tongue?

4. We have senses, organs and body fluids dedicated to orientation and management of space. There is no body organ dedicated to the management of time.

5. If time was real it would not be relative. We would experience time the same, whether we were having fun or scared out of our minds.

So, if time is not real, what is it? See next post.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Wakanyugi
#60 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 12:44:53 AM
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Why time is not real – part 2

Time is not energy, nor a derivative of energy. Yes I recall Lee Smolen insisting that time has a discrete state – like particles. But he was trying desperately to save his beloved M-theory. He is wrong.

Time is a convention – an agreement – required in order for us to operate in four dimensional reality.

Simply stated, we need the rule called ‘time’ in order to perceive depth, distance, height or change. This agreement is not constant, it changes depending on the person. It also changes by cultural agreement. In fact linear time as we know it today is a fairly recent invention – one which took the kind of permanence we assume it has, only after the invention of the clock.

Now to space – space is a function of time. We agree? So if time does not exist, space does not exist either. It must be a convention too.

That is right. There is no space, no earth, no solar system, no universe, no past and no future.

Reality stripped of time and space is…you got it, a singularity. Where nothing moves, nothing changes, a unity where everything simply is.

Tycho was right. We live in a black hole.



P.S. Please note my deliberate change of heading. Time may not exist but, if we agree to create it - that is good enough for me. Gravity may not exist either but try jumping from a 10 story building and...you get my drift, I am sure.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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