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'Brave new world' - conversation on postmodern cosmology.
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#21 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:18:48 AM
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#22 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:02:37 PM
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tycho wrote:
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I saw a talk by nassim harrim,and he said that the everything from suns,planets and atoms are black holes in the center.


Yes. I perceive so too! Why, are you surprised?


Very surprised.He was saying how much he's been rejected by physicists but in fact black holes do actually have the gravitational pull to hold matter as it exists. I like black holes any insights on what you think they are. The fact that it is more powerful than light and light is what we think of as ultimate intrigues me.


The rejection is surprising. Why is he being rejected?


He claimed that the big bang was a massive black hole that had accumulated matter. It reached a point and exploded spreading itself and the matter together throughout the universe.


Since energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it must hold itself together.

For example, Gravitation is one expression of energy holding itself together. That is, being.

If there is being, then there must be an indestructible 'core' that can expand, only up to where the forces holding being together have grown weak enough to warrant the creation of new energy systems.

That is, being creates new systems to facilitate being.

Now, the essence of being, can only be in a black hole.

Consider the esoteric meaning of black: does it ring a bell?

Explain more on the esoteric meaning here.

The universe needs a background to play out existence on the foreground. The black hole theory in my opinion also explains why so much of matter and space is empty.Gravity,if things get to close to a black hole its gravity will over power them but with enough distance they will just be held in place. Btw there is a great movie out,Upside Down.You will love it.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:20:38 PM
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This is how I understand space time. Einstein in my opinion meant time was relative to the observer under certain conditions. Basically if you're having fun it seems like its moving faster if not it seems its moving slower. Also the faster you move the slower time seems to be moving. But irrespective of all those views,you can effectively measure time by use of space. Moving from space to space is not instant so there is something to be measured there.

The systems we are trying to understand more is the system of the universe and blackholes have a lot of potential if light can't escape them. We here all the time physicists are trying to prove there is something that can move faster than the speed of light but if a blackhole can effectively trap light doesn't that mean it has a stronger 'pull'(speed) than light.

@tycho - I agree.Everything is energy.That brings in something interesting. Consciousness is energy,how come we haven't learnt to convert our consciousness to directly affect the energy around us consciously. There have been experiments to show that our emotions affect our environment.

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#24 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 1:39:47 PM
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I like echos. I like sound. I think sound is the first way we'll be able to manipulate matter. Literally re-arrange it to the molecular level with vibrations.Everything vibrates and sound is vibration.I'm also thinking of how sound can be used to create anti-gravity.Not countering gravity but creating an effect similar to it.
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#25 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:43:52 PM
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@ChessMaster, black is the color of ultimate being, the origin. The indiscernible, which, expresses its purity when all colors from it, are combined to give white.

It is interesting, but conflict, isn't the natural order of things.

The question as to why some people have not been able to use consciousness optimally is because our cosmological ideas have been at war since the days of Socrates to the present day.

Think about echoes. Aren't they words?

Anti-gravity? Gravity? Everything is accessible.
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#26 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:11:07 PM
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tycho wrote:
@ChessMaster, black is the color of ultimate being, the origin. The indiscernible, which, expresses its purity when all colors from it, are combined to give white.

It is interesting, but conflict, isn't the natural order of things.

The question as to why some people have not been able to use consciousness optimally is because our cosmological ideas have been at war since the days of Socrates to the present day.

Think about echoes. Aren't they words?

Anti-gravity? Gravity? Everything is accessible.


I doubt black is the ultimate being. But that is a religious view.I ask myself,what was before?Black is just another creation.

I'm still curious about the Mua Hills Machakos.Is it an anti-gravity spot and why is it not being studied?

Echos are words. I still remember what you said about words being spells.I agree more than you know.But that would be psychology and hypnosis.
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#27 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:23:06 PM
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What is black? What is ultimate being?

But yes, a symbol isn't the thing in itself.

Hypnosis? What do you mean?
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#28 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:25:54 PM
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And again, why have you brushed aside the religious view?
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#29 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:28:22 PM
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tycho wrote:
What is black? What is ultimate being?

But yes, a symbol isn't the thing in itself.

Hypnosis? What do you mean?


From what I was taught.Black is the absence of colour.Again,promoting the power of black holes. Ultimate being I would say is supreme over all. About hypnosis we can continue in the philosophy section. One thing about cosmology,its a field that has been resisted especially by religions. We went from believing the earth is the center of the universe to just being a planet in the large cosmos. In this day,how does cosmology affect our perception of our life and its importance?
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#30 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:42:01 PM
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Religions have their cosmologies, but they have been in a never ending conflict with natural science.

Cosmology is the bedrock of all human action. It determines technology and its effects.

It is also the bedrock of faith and spirituality.
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#31 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:52:45 PM
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tycho wrote:
Religions have their cosmologies, but they have been in a never ending conflict with natural science.

Cosmology is the bedrock of all human action. It determines technology and its effects.

It is also the bedrock of faith and spirituality.


I've never thought about it but its true.Both seek to define the same object but only one chooses to measure. How did the greeks and romans name their gods after planets some hadn't been discovered?
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#32 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:03:06 PM
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Can time be described as also a measurement of change in the state of energy?
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#33 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:05:36 PM
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There have been times when religion and science have been one.

Or rather, there have been times when Man has been conscious of this identity.

Or even if one felt, or suspected, he/she has often lacked a conceptual framework to work on his suspicion.
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#34 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:10:56 PM
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tycho wrote:
There have been times when religion and science have been one.

Or rather, there have been times when Man has been conscious of this identity.

Or even if one felt, or suspected, he/she has often lacked a conceptual framework to work on his suspicion.


That begs the question,was there a time we were cosmically aware.One with everything and how does that define our identity?
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#35 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:15:49 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Can time be described as also a measurement of change in the state of energy?


Yes. Space and time are also conceptual frame works as shown by Kant.

But time, in itself, is energy.
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#36 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:28:13 PM
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tycho wrote:
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Can time be described as also a measurement of change in the state of energy?


Yes. Space and time are also conceptual frame works as shown by Kant.

But time, in itself, is energy.


Interesting,how?
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#37 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:35:10 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
There have been times when religion and science have been one.

Or rather, there have been times when Man has been conscious of this identity.

Or even if one felt, or suspected, he/she has often lacked a conceptual framework to work on his suspicion.


That begs the question,was there a time we were cosmically aware.One with everything and how does that define our identity?


Yes. There have been such times that man has been aware of this identity.

But the information given is often mythical, like the garden of Eden, or Heaven.

Of course if the sense of identity is lost, then everything is misplaced and misunderstood, and the laws of ultimate being are broken.

So there's crisis everywhere.
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#38 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:39:19 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
There have been times when religion and science have been one.

Or rather, there have been times when Man has been conscious of this identity.

Or even if one felt, or suspected, he/she has often lacked a conceptual framework to work on his suspicion.


That begs the question,was there a time we were cosmically aware.One with everything and how does that define our identity?


Yes. There have been such times that man has been aware of this identity.

But the information given is often mythical, like the garden of Eden, or Heaven.

Of course if the sense of identity is lost, then everything is misplaced and misunderstood, and the laws of ultimate being are broken.

So there's crisis everywhere.

Applause Applause Applause

The problem with all that knowledge being passed down is that we haven't been given the keys to deciphering them. But then again I can't complain,if they understood it,means we can. What do you think is the identity of man?
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#39 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:46:54 PM
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Man God.
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#40 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:51:05 PM
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Just the answer I wanted to hear. Go on
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