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El Nino is Back!
FundamentAli
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:42:00 PM
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According to scientist,the sea temperatures are rising. The El Nino season is back. Am looking at it from the point of view how it is going to affect our rain driven economy. I think all counters will be winners. What is your take?

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kyt
#2 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:28:00 PM
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i am met guy and i think that its a blessing ONLY for people in the arid areas. its going to increase rainfall by 10x and that is scary for people in the wet areas so you cannot celebrate i don't think the counter will really gain anything. on the upside though Masinga dam will be reopened and Nairobians will see and end to rationing and yah many people will die and others will suffer from weather related diseases.

hasta la vista
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Eddy
#3 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:20:00 PM
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@ FundamentAli

When is this likely to happen and is it in Kenya,are this Kenyan sciencetist predicting this. As much as everybody would like rains i thinks excesses are a no go zone,but what to do if that is what that has to happen.
Jaymiggy
#4 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:02:00 PM
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If this is the case,then to me it's a big blessing. The reason is,I come from an arid area and the last time this area got enough rainfall was like 5 years ago,that is 2004ish. Folks there depend only on farming,and you know what that means kama mvua hakuna. In 1997/8 El Nino,the economy of the area was just good for the next 2-3 years. The enviromnemt was suberb for everything,name it.

So if we could have another El Nino,then good for those folks,they have being dying of hunger,the gava doesnt give a hoot at all. There is piped water,the road infrastructure is a whack. That rainfall will saidia sana,naomba tu sana for it to come!!
FundamentAli
#5 Posted : Friday, July 17, 2009 6:40:00 AM
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@ Eddy

The report is from an Organisation abbreviated NOAA (National Oceanic and Atomspheric Agency) of the US Government. Our mets do not have those sopiscated equipments. THey were however warned by their counterparts. Read yesterday's Standard.

This country can never get enough water. Figure this,

rain = increased tea output which always has a market.

Rain = Reduced food prices leaving people to spend money on other goods and services

Rain = Reduced power bills

Rain = Increased agricultural and livestock output

Rain = Cheaper water for Nairobian!

The mets will give an update in three months time


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kyt
#6 Posted : Friday, July 17, 2009 12:48:00 PM
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@ fundament ali
you forgot
rain- more weather related illnesses
rain- erosion of poorly constructed roads
rain- more floods and maybe more death
look on both sides my guy

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FundamentAli
#7 Posted : Friday, July 17, 2009 1:02:00 PM
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@kyt

Heavy rains expose shoddy roadworks

Lack of clean tap water leads to use of dirty water which leads to diseases like cholera

Lack of water undermine personal hygiene which lead to diseases

Hunger causes malnutrition and when it affects babies can lead to permanent retardation!

Lack of rain = Very many unreported deaths countryide. Cause satarvation.

If 5 guys drown,and that is nothing compared with the above scenario. Livestock herds have been wiped out.


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FundamentAli
#8 Posted : Monday, July 20, 2009 6:41:00 AM
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@kyt

How many people died in the last three days over fights for grazing land,water points and cattle rustling? Lack of rain leads to increased conflict and crime in the arid and semi arid areas.


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chi20
#9 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:02:00 AM
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looking at it like a double edged sword,the masingas,dakaini which have since been closed for lack of enough water,should be drained to lower dams to create room for expansion and de-siltation. in this way,the dam could hold alot more litres of water for the nairobians.

areas in perrenial drought regions could benefit from massive expansive and intensive dam projects. these could hold more water for long into the future after the elnino. inhabitants around here could do more meaningful activities to enrich their lives.

and then bundalangi,its time to move higher up if buidling dykes is a tall order.



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Douvante
#10 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:16:00 PM
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Be careful what you wish for!

Everything happens for a reason.
Mwekahazina
#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2009 3:03:00 PM
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Very Correct. First predicted by the Australian Meteorological department a few weeks ago. Talked to some local agri guys and they were in a stupor! At least,farmers will plant twice. Mau Forest will recover faster. Diminished water table will rise up again. Crocs in Lake Kamnarock will get their home back. The Mara River... now that will be a nightmare... for the Wilderbeest. We'll use horses and donkeys...
Mwekahazina
#12 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2009 3:11:00 PM
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El-Nino > Damaged infrastructure => Delays in infrastructure development => Infrastructure Bondholders developing High BP
El-Nino > Improved agriculture productivity except horticulture activity due to decline in U.V. light spectrum => Coffee,Tea,Sugar,Rice,Potatoes in plenty but declining margins for floriculture
El-Nino > Makes You forget the game plan... and you've no emergency domestic food storage plan
kyt
#13 Posted : Tuesday, July 21, 2009 3:18:00 PM
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dont get on my case please guys,i had a plan,if it does not rain sufficiently in dec i was planning for a way out of nairobi so i am 120% for elnino who is against? any one!

hasta la vista
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Wakanyugi
#14 Posted : Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:07:00 PM
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I think this time round the benefits of El nino will outweigh the harm. Of course our urban areas will take a major hit and a lot of infrastructure will be destroyed. But agriculture will recover and our pastoral communities will finally see some relief. Kenya is largely an agricultural economy and the return of regular rains is bound to restart growth. So I agree we should see an impact on most counters.
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pm
#15 Posted : Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:38:00 PM
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I've seen El Nino since the sixties,it comes in cycles except these days the cycles are amplified by global climatic conditions ... in the 60s,Athi River form high grounds a far looked as humongous as you would see lake Victoria from high areas of Kakamega or Nandi Hills ... El Nino is extreme rain,and not much grows except vegetables…. corn,wheat,tea,coffee ... and other commodities will not grow under El Nino conditions even livestock die of famine during El Nino because all there is for feed is very green wet stuff which gives livestock diarrhea,its an extreme weather condition that is the opposite of draught,other woes of El Nino are correctly articulated ... bridges will be washed,it will be all water outside and none inside your house (quite a dilemma),transportation will be a nightmare,communities will be flooded,tremendous erosion,infrastructures will be destroyed, flats/houses will be flooded / some washed a drift...and your KenGen,generation woes used to be low water levels, it will be overflow conditions; much worse,so don’t expect that the power generation will be 'fine' ... ground water/ water table will be replenished ... enuff for now

K22
#16 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2009 6:03:00 AM
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@pm,and somehow we have managed to survive since 60's! Amazing!

Randomly insane

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pm
#17 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2009 2:21:00 PM
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@k22 wrote '@pm,and somehow we have managed to survive since 60's! Amazing!'









We are a resilient people,and through the graces of God,we have always managed ... I recall the river between home and school was flooded to the banks during the 60s El Nino,to nearly 25 feet wide and about as much average depth as 5 feet,and only a single log about 3 inches wide crossed the river,despite all this,we could not be late for school,and the uniform was to be neat & smart,so,what we did was when we came to the river,we took out the clothes,making sure there were no girls in sight,tied them with a bark and threw them across,and then crossed the river ...

Yes we can survive ANY catastrophe and come out even stronger. Kenya is well endowed with it's people; how we manage the resource is crucial ...

Bashka
#18 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:02:00 AM
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For pastoralist it will be a disaster in the first month. The animals are already weak,cannot cope with heavy rain,hence most animals will die. After that the remaining ones will do better with abundant pasture and water. Generally cattle rastling and ethnic clashes in pastoral regions will stop.
akowally
#19 Posted : Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:54:00 AM
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I am hoping you saw what was there yesterday in Kisumu. A few days and already 4 dead because of the rains. Please tell your friends to prepare early. This is not an ease to the drought but rather a looming disaster especially at first. And remember that prices for sweaters,umbrellas e.t.c. will go up so buy now while they are still very low

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akowally
#20 Posted : Monday, October 05, 2009 12:48:00 PM
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Were these people serious when they were saying it is coming,first in sep,now oct inaendelea,or was it October 2010??

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