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Wakanyugi
#101 Posted : Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:52:53 PM
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"Which scientific/literary events?"

Unless your name is an acronym or a mnemonic, which I doubt, it comes from two giants.

One of science and one of science fiction. I would bet it is the former.

That is all I am saying.

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
ChessMaster
#102 Posted : Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:56:46 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
"You can't perceive if you are not a being. Who decides,ultimately the creator if you believe in one. But me a being is conscious life.What do you think?"

To perceive, two beings have to communicate, I assume (could be wrong).

So trees are beings then.

But this raises another question.

There are many entities we do not really understand? Does that mean they are not 'beings?'

I was born on the slopes of a mountain and for many years I could swear the mountain called to me - still does. I know people who swear the sea, their country etc calls to them.

Are all these 'beings?'


To perceive you only need a being and the object to be observed.Thats what I think.

No,it doesn't mean they are not 'beings'. 'Beings' could be anything and everywhere,we just don't have the tools or methods of seeing them let alone understanding them.That's why I can't dispute what you've said could be possible.The only way would be to know the truth.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
Wakanyugi
#103 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 12:04:10 AM
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"No,it doesn't mean they are not 'beings'. 'Beings' could be anything and everywhere,we just don't have the tools or methods of seeing them let alone understanding them."

So the Universe is a being, then? What exactly is it 'being?'

After all 'being' is a verb not a noun.

What is a 'being' 'being'?


Elsewhere you said, 'the only thing we can't doubt is our 'self' (human beings)'.

Does that mean we are locked in a state of perpetual being?

So what exactly are we being?

And why the heck is it so hard?

Sorry to ask so many questions.

I am really that ignorant



"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
tycho
#104 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 12:09:33 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
"Which scientific/literary events?"

Unless your name is an acronym or a mnemonic, which I doubt, it comes from two giants.

One of science and one of science fiction. I would bet it is the former.

That is all I am saying.



You are right.
ChessMaster
#105 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 12:35:03 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
"No,it doesn't mean they are not 'beings'. 'Beings' could be anything and everywhere,we just don't have the tools or methods of seeing them let alone understanding them."

So the Universe is a being, then? What exactly is it 'being?'

After all 'being' is a verb not a noun.

What is a 'being' 'being'?


Elsewhere you said, 'the only thing we can't doubt is our 'self' (human beings)'.

Does that mean we are locked in a state of perpetual being?

So what exactly are we being?

And why the heck is it so hard?

Sorry to ask so many questions.

I am really that ignorant




Life is hard.But sometimes its how you take it. I have come to appreciate the simple things in life and I find it beautiful.

i doubt anyone can say what the universe exactly is. But i don't think its a being.

By being I mean things with consciousness,like human beings have. I believe we are in a perpetual state of being but that leaves so many interesting possibilities
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
Annti_Christy
#106 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 7:39:48 AM
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What the heol!!

I am overwhelmed. I have just shed a tear or two. What a deep discussion!! Very deep!
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Impunity
#107 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 9:06:28 AM
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Do trees register pain?
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Impunity
#108 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 9:10:59 AM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
What the heol!!

I am overwhelmed. I have just shed a tear or two. What a deep discussion!! Very deep!


Have a glass of miok as you ponder!
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Annti_Christy
#109 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 9:33:10 AM
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Impunity wrote:
Annti_Christy wrote:
What the heol!!

I am overwhelmed. I have just shed a tear or two. What a deep discussion!! Very deep!


Have a glass of miok as you ponder!



Dont you also think this discussion is very very deep?

The loonies are making steady progress. Who will fish them out from the ever deepening depth they are sinking into? I cannot take myself to their depths. I cannot go into that bin.

My tears are for them.
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Impunity
#110 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 9:41:49 AM
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Annti_Christy wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Annti_Christy wrote:
What the heol!!

I am overwhelmed. I have just shed a tear or two. What a deep discussion!! Very deep!


Have a glass of miok as you ponder!



Dont you also think this discussion is very very deep?

The loonies are making steady progress. Who will fish them out from the ever deepening depth they are sinking into? I cannot take myself to their depths. I cannot go into that bin.

My tears are for them.


The discussion here is not for the average minds.
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Wakanyugi
#111 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 10:01:31 AM
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Impunity wrote:
Do trees register pain?


I believe this subject was concluded by the great Larry Watson years ago.

Plants register emotions like fear and joy. Meaning they must register pain as well.

Some plants actually shrink away when you touch them.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Wakanyugi
#112 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 10:04:48 AM
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"By being I mean things with consciousness,like human beings have. I believe we are in a perpetual state of being but that leaves so many interesting possibilities"

There you go again. Losing me with long words.

What is consciousness?

Is it a quality limited to only to human-beings?

Do tree-beings, rock-beings, water-beings, fire-beings etc have consciousness?

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Wakanyugi
#113 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 10:10:37 AM
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"Can I be allowed to do this in a different thread? I intend to start one on 'Post Modern Cosmology' maybe tomorrow?"

Yes you can Tycho.

Let me know when the thread is up.

I look forward to reading your proof of space and time.


"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
mlefu
#114 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 10:26:45 AM
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Why does English have so many words when wazua has landing, plugs and sockets!!! Lady admin..your site is under siege.

Impunity
#115 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 11:12:12 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Do trees register pain?


I believe this subject was concluded by the great Larry Watson years ago.

Plants register emotions like fear and joy. Meaning they must register pain as well.

Some plants actually shrink away when you touch them.


The flora that collapses certain leaves/shoots do so to capture food but not in reaction to pain.
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ChessMaster
#116 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 7:44:54 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Do trees register pain?


How?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
ChessMaster
#117 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 7:47:22 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:


"By being I mean things with consciousness,like human beings have. I believe we are in a perpetual state of being but that leaves so many interesting possibilities"

There you go again. Losing me with long words.

What is consciousness?

Is it a quality limited to only to human-beings?

Do tree-beings, rock-beings, water-beings, fire-beings etc have consciousness?



Consciousness is awareness of your will.Anything that is aware of its will is conscious.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
ChessMaster
#118 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 7:48:52 PM
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mlefu wrote:
Why does English have so many words when wazua has landing, plugs and sockets!!! Lady admin..your site is under siege.



Maybe its just vals.Me I'd like more sharing less talking.

@Annti_Christy - Karibu.
@tycho - Start the thread.I'm waiting to learn.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
josiah33
#119 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 8:54:33 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Do trees register pain?


How?

This is not philosophy but i just want to share it-

Quote:
Every stroke of those pruning shears could have the average shrub writhing in agony. Researchers in Bonn, Germany, found plants give off a gas when under 'attack'.

Super-sensitive microphones picked up a 'bubbling' sound from a healthy plant. But this rose to a piercing screech when it was under threat. Even a tiny insect bite could have an effect.

'The more a plant is subjected to stress, the louder the signal,' said Dr Frank K¸hnemann. Plants do not actually scream in pain. But different sounds are heard when the gas they emit, ethylene, is bombarded with lasers.

The research could help to work out which pieces of fruit and vegetables are likely to stay fresh longer, as a cucumber which is starting to go off produces a squealing sound. It could then be separated from the fresher ones.

Fruit exporters are already showing interest in the research. Wolfgang Praetorius, of Cologne- based Fruchthansa, said: 'Individual pieces of fruit could be tested after being harvested. We'd know which ones to ship together.'

D r K ¸ h n e m a n n believes plants give off ethylene to warn others of an 'attack'. He said: 'Perhaps plants and trees are 'talking to each other.'


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So, maybe plants feel pain in their own special way.....
ChessMaster
#120 Posted : Friday, February 08, 2013 11:02:57 PM
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@josiah33 - Anything you share is philosophy and I appreciate it.Please share more

@all - Someone tell me how to turn of my mind.Its driving me crazy.I need to let go,I'm too aware of too many things.That's why I'm a loner,I have too many comments.Uchokozi nayo.Wah!Leo av decided on wazua.Let me log off.

Politics is a platform for people to air their philosophical views on how to deal with life

@Wakanyugi - You seem like you want to talk psychology.We can.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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