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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:mkeiyd wrote:To answer the topic's question?
Ujinga ni mwingi Afrika nyeusi. No.We just value different things. @tycho - One is a race the other is a place you're born. Black is a race, and Africa is where one is born? And what then is the West? The West is what Africa blames for its shortcomings. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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But there exists hope,
if we accept to learn,we will surmount the odds.
Learn and vote like one who has a mind,drive,invest,socialize,relate,trade etc in the same way.
Simply, watu watumie akili.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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mkeiyd wrote:ChessMaster wrote:
Again value systems are developed through cultural perspectives. Its not that we aren't intelligent,its that we don't value intelligence. We have a 'mwakenya' culture of doing things and this goes beyond the classroom.
@Chessmaster, That "mwakenya" or "mwafrica" way of doing things makes us lag behind and always have systems that don't work. A project would be running well with non-blacks in charge. Wait for it to land in the hands of mtu mweusi,suddenly, nothing seems to work. Then the blame game begins. Read some of other comments above, people blaming mzungu for our woes,for our poor leadership etc. Those leaders are representative of us. They don't think. We don't think big. From governance to driving to our politics,no one seems to be thinking. Ujinga na uzembe wa akili,that's why Africa is where it is. The mzungu can only use fools those who are blaming mzungu should realize that. Most Africans aren't raised to question,we are raised to respect authority.Its deeply embedded in our school system. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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The common denominator is: Poor leadership. Well managed African countries are flourishing...and who said Africa is a country?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Whereas a mzungu suspect wouldn't even dream of public office we have a mweusi suspect who is about to be elected as president freely and fairly!! Talked about a warped mindset!  Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:mkeiyd wrote:ChessMaster wrote:
Again value systems are developed through cultural perspectives. Its not that we aren't intelligent,its that we don't value intelligence. We have a 'mwakenya' culture of doing things and this goes beyond the classroom.
@Chessmaster, That "mwakenya" or "mwafrica" way of doing things makes us lag behind and always have systems that don't work. A project would be running well with non-blacks in charge. Wait for it to land in the hands of mtu mweusi,suddenly, nothing seems to work. Then the blame game begins. Read some of other comments above, people blaming mzungu for our woes,for our poor leadership etc. Those leaders are representative of us. They don't think. We don't think big. From governance to driving to our politics,no one seems to be thinking. Ujinga na uzembe wa akili,that's why Africa is where it is. The mzungu can only use fools those who are blaming mzungu should realize that. Most Africans aren't raised to question,we are raised to respect authority.Its deeply embedded in our school system. @chessmaster. A German friend of mine rised the exact same sentiments on why Kenya is poor once during our discussion. He told me in their country, the citizens dont let their Government easily when they feel opressed. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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the deal wrote:The common denominator is: Poor leadership. Well managed African countries are flourishing...and who said Africa is a country? Is leadership about the leader or the lead? (Courtesy of @Impunity).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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a4architect.com wrote:ChessMaster wrote:mkeiyd wrote:ChessMaster wrote:
Again value systems are developed through cultural perspectives. Its not that we aren't intelligent,its that we don't value intelligence. We have a 'mwakenya' culture of doing things and this goes beyond the classroom.
@Chessmaster, That "mwakenya" or "mwafrica" way of doing things makes us lag behind and always have systems that don't work. A project would be running well with non-blacks in charge. Wait for it to land in the hands of mtu mweusi,suddenly, nothing seems to work. Then the blame game begins. Read some of other comments above, people blaming mzungu for our woes,for our poor leadership etc. Those leaders are representative of us. They don't think. We don't think big. From governance to driving to our politics,no one seems to be thinking. Ujinga na uzembe wa akili,that's why Africa is where it is. The mzungu can only use fools those who are blaming mzungu should realize that. Most Africans aren't raised to question,we are raised to respect authority.Its deeply embedded in our school system. @chessmaster. A German friend of mine rised the exact same sentiments on why Kenya is poor once during our discussion. He told me in their country, the citizens dont let their Government easily when they feel opressed. How is culture related to ideas, especially political ideas?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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@guru267 - It's not a warped mindset.Its fair play.We want what the leaders have and I believe majority of people would do what they do given the opportunity.But because that is in us,it becomes hard to remove the leaders when we ourselves do the same. @a4architect - Very true. Even how they air their differences is different from how we do. They follow or attempt to follow protocols and laws while us we can break them while trying to fight for them. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I'm reminded of Prof. Ali Mazrui. He has written this book about world culture and black experience.
Could the question be, why is the black experience one of poverty, and inferiority, and pain?
And if this is the question, then we can ask, what determines experience?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Our history has molded our experience and in effect our perception of reality as it stands now. But now we can change our perception to better things and in turn change our experiences and reality.If we still cling onto our black experience,that's what we'll continue getting in our lives. Culture can be said to be the collective knowledge of generations being passed on to other generations. It forms our perception of how things are and should be. Part of it is leadership systems and how they should be established. I believe in Kenya and Africa in general we cling on to two factors - wealth and age and a third one race.If you are old and/or wealthy you easily can easily assume leadership. Race,I put there because we all know we have a tendency of treating 'tourists'/wazungus better than ourselves.We just do. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The question arises again, does perception have a motive? And what is the motive?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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guru267 wrote:Whereas a mzungu suspect wouldn't even dream of public office we have a mweusi suspect who is about to be elected as president freely and fairly!! Talked about a warped mindset! Maybe because Mzungu Warlords can never be brought before a court like ICC despite killing hundreds of thousands!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:The question arises again, does perception have a motive? And what is the motive? I don't think perception has motives.But our intentions affect our perception. Thats how bias arises. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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A very important statement said by the Jamaican teacher "As your debt keeps on growing your capacity to export is also diminishing.Your currency also continues to lose value versus the international currencies". Does that depict a situation Kenya is finding itself into. Our gap between exports and imports has widened and is now more than a trillion kenya shillings. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Ericsson wrote:A very important statement said by the Jamaican teacher "As your debt keeps on growing your capacity to export is also diminishing.Your currency also continues to lose value versus the international currencies".
Does that depict a situation Kenya is finding itself into.
Our gap between exports and imports has widened and is now more than a trillion kenya shillings. Debt is not the problem its what we are doing with our debt. Even in investing,if you are using debt to pay for expenses and not leverage your income you are bound to fail eventually. We are in such a situation,we are incurring more debt as a country and as individuals but we are not using it to generate more income but rather purchase more expenses. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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@ChessMaster---My point is that we need to narrow very fast the gap between our imports and exports by increasing our exports at a very fast rate. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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@Ericsson - I totally agree. We even need to diversify on our exports Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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1-Because Africans have low IQs 2-Because the abuse Africans went through during colonialism made them worship the white man. 3-Because it is profitable for the white man to keep Africans poor. Laws of economics; for there to be wealth, there must be the wretched of the earth to be exploited. I could go on forever.. Greed is fear.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:The question arises again, does perception have a motive? And what is the motive? I don't think perception has motives.But our intentions affect our perception. Thats how bias arises. We have concluded that perception is about self preservation. That is, the black experience is not only unpleasant, but it is also about 'self preservation', in a world culture that is basically oppressive. That is, the polarity of the West versus Africa, is an oppressive perception necessary for black survival.
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