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Impunity wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:McReggae wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@tycho - Ah,that is a truth I leave to God.If you can't doubt yourself and your existence,the question remains,who or what created you.
/@josiah33 - Interesting. I need to study that slowly. If the truth about the self cannot be established, can the truth about anything else be established? At that point it will not be truth but perception!!! Is perception confined to the mind of the individual or the spirit of the body? @Impunity - Thanks. McReggae entered with a checkmate. I'll get back to those two when I get an answer. Perception is not confined to the mind or spirit.It is inclusive of both,whether we are aware of it or not. If truth about the Self cannot be established, then words like 'Spirit' or 'Mind' do not represent truth, but are socially constructed symbols that represent certain perceptions. The mind is the center of our current existence.As of now,proof of the spirit can be said to be perception since we can't analyze the presence of the spirit. Since our existence is a matter of perception, then the mind must also be about perceptions. We need to get the aim of perception now. We will pick it from here tomorrow. Have a good evening fellow philosophers.  Let us then state what we have so far: Philosophy is the ordering of perception to protect, and promote the objectives of the 'I'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Ordering with an attempt to align with truth. Otherwise our self-interest will affect our perception Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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ChessMaster wrote:Ordering with an attempt to align with truth. Otherwise our self-interest will affect our perception Amen. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:Ordering with an attempt to align with truth. Otherwise our self-interest will affect our perception Since we have seen that truth cannot be established, and perception is subject to the 'self', then truth becomes the confirmation of ideas about the 'I', and the desire for completeness of the 'I'. Truth is the establishment of the self.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Ordering with an attempt to align with truth. Otherwise our self-interest will affect our perception Since we have seen that truth cannot be established, and perception is subject to the 'self', then truth becomes the confirmation of ideas about the 'I', and the desire for completeness of the 'I'. Truth is the establishment of the self. Interesting.Elaborate on the last line. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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When is preparedness considered ready to go? Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Impunity wrote:When is preparedness considered ready to go? When you are through with the preparations or when whatever you were preparing for comes Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:When is preparedness considered ready to go? When you are through with the preparations or when whatever you were preparing for comes I think its when the mind of the leavee has fully captured the loci of the expectation at the destination. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Impunity wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:When is preparedness considered ready to go? When you are through with the preparations or when whatever you were preparing for comes I think its when the mind of the leavee has fully captured the loci of the expectation at the destination. Well put. How does one then capture the loci of the expectation? Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Ordering with an attempt to align with truth. Otherwise our self-interest will affect our perception Since we have seen that truth cannot be established, and perception is subject to the 'self', then truth becomes the confirmation of ideas about the 'I', and the desire for completeness of the 'I'. Truth is the establishment of the self. Interesting.Elaborate on the last line. First of all, all inquiry must begin with the self, a product of perceptions. But perceiving is not stable. New perceptions occur all the time, hence the 'I' is always destabilized. This destabilization necessarily involves the expansion of the 'I', for all things can only make sense within it. So perception, and ordering of perception is supposed to end with the equilibrium of the 'I'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Impunity wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:When is preparedness considered ready to go? When you are through with the preparations or when whatever you were preparing for comes I think its when the mind of the leavee has fully captured the loci of the expectation at the destination. Eish bana. Kumbe @impunity sio mchache pia?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Ordering with an attempt to align with truth. Otherwise our self-interest will affect our perception Since we have seen that truth cannot be established, and perception is subject to the 'self', then truth becomes the confirmation of ideas about the 'I', and the desire for completeness of the 'I'. Truth is the establishment of the self. Interesting.Elaborate on the last line. First of all, all inquiry must begin with the self, a product of perceptions. But perceiving is not stable. New perceptions occur all the time, hence the 'I' is always destabilized. This destabilization necessarily involves the expansion of the 'I', for all things can only make sense within it. So perception, and ordering of perception is supposed to end with the equilibrium of the 'I'. Can't argue with that.How would equilibrium be defined? Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:When is preparedness considered ready to go? When you are through with the preparations or when whatever you were preparing for comes I think its when the mind of the leavee has fully captured the loci of the expectation at the destination. No. It is when the 'leavee' has gathered threshold momentum. The loci can only come with motion.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Ordering with an attempt to align with truth. Otherwise our self-interest will affect our perception Since we have seen that truth cannot be established, and perception is subject to the 'self', then truth becomes the confirmation of ideas about the 'I', and the desire for completeness of the 'I'. Truth is the establishment of the self. Interesting.Elaborate on the last line. First of all, all inquiry must begin with the self, a product of perceptions. But perceiving is not stable. New perceptions occur all the time, hence the 'I' is always destabilized. This destabilization necessarily involves the expansion of the 'I', for all things can only make sense within it. So perception, and ordering of perception is supposed to end with the equilibrium of the 'I'. Can't argue with that.How would equilibrium be defined? Perception of security and pleasure. Perception of completeness.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:Impunity wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:When is preparedness considered ready to go? When you are through with the preparations or when whatever you were preparing for comes I think its when the mind of the leavee has fully captured the loci of the expectation at the destination. No. It is when the 'leavee' has gathered threshold momentum. The loci can only come with motion. Explain threshold momentum. I think you can have expectation without motion because its mental but preparedness will be tested once in motion. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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tycho wrote:Impunity wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:When is preparedness considered ready to go? When you are through with the preparations or when whatever you were preparing for comes I think its when the mind of the leavee has fully captured the loci of the expectation at the destination. No. It is when the 'leavee' has gathered threshold momentum. The loci can only come with motion. Let me digest that.In the meantime can you leave without embedding the loci of destination in your mind, even in the subconscious part, threshold momentum notwithstanding! Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:Impunity wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:When is preparedness considered ready to go? When you are through with the preparations or when whatever you were preparing for comes I think its when the mind of the leavee has fully captured the loci of the expectation at the destination. No. It is when the 'leavee' has gathered threshold momentum. The loci can only come with motion. Explain threshold momentum. I think you can have expectation without motion because its mental but preparedness will be tested once in motion. This is the momentum that removes you from your point of rest.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:tycho wrote:Impunity wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:When is preparedness considered ready to go? When you are through with the preparations or when whatever you were preparing for comes I think its when the mind of the leavee has fully captured the loci of the expectation at the destination. No. It is when the 'leavee' has gathered threshold momentum. The loci can only come with motion. Let me digest that.In the meantime can you leave without embedding the loci of destination in your mind, even in the subconscious part, threshold momentum notwithstanding! Yes. If the threshold momentum comes unexpectedly. No. When the source of momentum and other forces have been considered. The embedding also affirms the 'I'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:Impunity wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:When is preparedness considered ready to go? When you are through with the preparations or when whatever you were preparing for comes I think its when the mind of the leavee has fully captured the loci of the expectation at the destination. No. It is when the 'leavee' has gathered threshold momentum. The loci can only come with motion. Explain threshold momentum. I think you can have expectation without motion because its mental but preparedness will be tested once in motion. This is the momentum that removes you from your point of rest. Can pain remove you from your equilibrium point of rest? In that case will your locomotion be considered ready to go? Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:Impunity wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:When is preparedness considered ready to go? When you are through with the preparations or when whatever you were preparing for comes I think its when the mind of the leavee has fully captured the loci of the expectation at the destination. No. It is when the 'leavee' has gathered threshold momentum. The loci can only come with motion. Explain threshold momentum. I think you can have expectation without motion because its mental but preparedness will be tested once in motion. This is the momentum that removes you from your point of rest. Can pain remove you from your equilibrium point of rest? In that case will your locomotion be considered ready to go? Yes. Much like the nervous system works.
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