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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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Rollins wrote:McReggae wrote:Rollins wrote:Mcreaggae changia, hata kama utasema OAR ni object, subject and philosophy of CORD.. Unajua kama hawa wakiwa kwa campaign team yako utafail kweli kweli, the people will never know what you are talking about!!!! Can you imagine Tycho and Chess moderating the Presidential debate. watauliza, is Kenya subject, truth, object, concept, idea or space?  Is election going to be won by way of selection or creation? Is leadership in the leader or the led? Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Subject or topic is simply the object being studied.
It applies to all attempts to establish the truth. Because unless the truth is established everything else is just opinion based on perception. The subject, is in fact, an object? Meaning, existing seperately and independent of the philosopher, and his intentions? Not always because the philosopher could be his own object.The study of self. So there are times when the philosopher is seeking the truth about something that is independent of himself? Yes. This then is an established truth! How was it established? Now my assumption  Before we existed,there was existence.So the self came into awareness of something which was independent of it. Assumption? This is against inquiry! Do you also assume that you exist?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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It has to be an assumption because people who believe in reincarnation can ask,what if you already were? You can't assume that you exist.You can doubt everything in this world but you can't doubt your existence.Impossible. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:It has to be an assumption because people who believe in reincarnation can ask,what if you already were?
You can't assume that you exist.You can doubt everything in this world but you can't doubt your existence.Impossible. How then is the self established?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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This is what some teacher told a student on the question- do we really exist?
the experience itself and the one who experiences it are not the same. This is one of the basic concepts that we should understand when answering this question. For example, the olive tree itself and the olive tree when I look at it are different things, because I already have impressions about the tree. That’s why it’s impossible to find answers to such questions without personal experiences. The answers for these questions are highly paradoxical and require my inexistence from the outset. To know whether I exist or not, I should first disappear. By this, I mean I should remove myself from the picture. To see the olive tree as it is, I first need to rid myself of my impressions about it. I should delete my existence, or in other words, I should get myself “out.” I can then see the olive tree as it is after deleting my impressions about it. However, this is easier said than done, and succeeding at it requires a certain training process.
If the objective reality and my mind’s interpretation about it were the same, thinking about water would be enough to satisfy my thirst, but this is not the case. That means water in the objective reality is different to my interpretation of it. One of them is real, and the other is an impression. The same thing applies to “me.” “I” in reality is different to the image in my mind. So, instead of giving a direct answer and confusing you, I will try to explain and confuse you that way: We neither exist or not exist; we both exist and not exist.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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@tycho - Ah,that is a truth I leave to God.If you can't doubt yourself and your existence,the question remains,who or what created you. @josiah33 - Interesting. I need to study that slowly. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Impunity wrote:Rollins wrote:McReggae wrote:Rollins wrote:Mcreaggae changia, hata kama utasema OAR ni object, subject and philosophy of CORD.. Unajua kama hawa wakiwa kwa campaign team yako utafail kweli kweli, the people will never know what you are talking about!!!! Can you imagine Tycho and Chess moderating the Presidential debate. watauliza, is Kenya subject, truth, object, concept, idea or space? Is election going to be won by way of selection or creation? Is leadership in the leader or the led? Leadership is in the leader but you become a leader when you are followed. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2012 Posts: 3,855 Location: Othumo
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Left this thread at 2 posts and come back to find this. nimecheka yangu yote yet i dont know why i am laughing. At least CORD has contributed something to this debate wapi makelele ya TiNA or they are soo digital that they understand nothing here! @impunity try to contribute in this thread is but just hilarious! Keep it coming  Thieves
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:@tycho - Ah,that is a truth I leave to God.If you can't doubt yourself and your existence,the question remains,who or what created you.
/@josiah33 - Interesting. I need to study that slowly. If the truth about the self cannot be established, can the truth about anything else be established?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@tycho - Ah,that is a truth I leave to God.If you can't doubt yourself and your existence,the question remains,who or what created you.
/@josiah33 - Interesting. I need to study that slowly. If the truth about the self cannot be established, can the truth about anything else be established? At that point it will not be truth but perception!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@tycho - Ah,that is a truth I leave to God.If you can't doubt yourself and your existence,the question remains,who or what created you.
/@josiah33 - Interesting. I need to study that slowly. If the truth about the self cannot be established, can the truth about anything else be established? At that point it will not be truth but perception!!! Can we say perception has an aim?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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McReggae wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@tycho - Ah,that is a truth I leave to God.If you can't doubt yourself and your existence,the question remains,who or what created you.
/@josiah33 - Interesting. I need to study that slowly. If the truth about the self cannot be established, can the truth about anything else be established? At that point it will not be truth but perception!!! Is perception confined to the mind of the individual or the spirit of the body? Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Impunity wrote:McReggae wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@tycho - Ah,that is a truth I leave to God.If you can't doubt yourself and your existence,the question remains,who or what created you.
/@josiah33 - Interesting. I need to study that slowly. If the truth about the self cannot be established, can the truth about anything else be established? At that point it will not be truth but perception!!! Is perception confined to the mind of the individual or the spirit of the body? @Impunity - Thanks. McReggae entered with a checkmate. I'll get back to those two when I get an answer. Perception is not confined to the mind or spirit.It is inclusive of both,whether we are aware of it or not. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:McReggae wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@tycho - Ah,that is a truth I leave to God.If you can't doubt yourself and your existence,the question remains,who or what created you.
/@josiah33 - Interesting. I need to study that slowly. If the truth about the self cannot be established, can the truth about anything else be established? At that point it will not be truth but perception!!! Is perception confined to the mind of the individual or the spirit of the body? @Impunity - Thanks. McReggae entered with a checkmate. I'll get back to those two when I get an answer. Perception is not confined to the mind or spirit.It is inclusive of both,whether we are aware of it or not. If truth about the Self cannot be established, then words like 'Spirit' or 'Mind' do not represent truth, but are socially constructed symbols that represent certain perceptions.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:McReggae wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@tycho - Ah,that is a truth I leave to God.If you can't doubt yourself and your existence,the question remains,who or what created you.
/@josiah33 - Interesting. I need to study that slowly. If the truth about the self cannot be established, can the truth about anything else be established? At that point it will not be truth but perception!!! Is perception confined to the mind of the individual or the spirit of the body? @Impunity - Thanks. McReggae entered with a checkmate. I'll get back to those two when I get an answer. Perception is not confined to the mind or spirit.It is inclusive of both,whether we are aware of it or not. If truth about the Self cannot be established, then words like 'Spirit' or 'Mind' do not represent truth, but are socially constructed symbols that represent certain perceptions. The mind is the center of our current existence.As of now,proof of the spirit can be said to be perception since we can't analyze the presence of the spirit. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:McReggae wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@tycho - Ah,that is a truth I leave to God.If you can't doubt yourself and your existence,the question remains,who or what created you.
/@josiah33 - Interesting. I need to study that slowly. If the truth about the self cannot be established, can the truth about anything else be established? At that point it will not be truth but perception!!! Is perception confined to the mind of the individual or the spirit of the body? @Impunity - Thanks. McReggae entered with a checkmate. I'll get back to those two when I get an answer. Perception is not confined to the mind or spirit.It is inclusive of both,whether we are aware of it or not. If truth about the Self cannot be established, then words like 'Spirit' or 'Mind' do not represent truth, but are socially constructed symbols that represent certain perceptions. The mind is the center of our current existence.As of now,proof of the spirit can be said to be perception since we can't analyze the presence of the spirit. Since our existence is a matter of perception, then the mind must also be about perceptions. We need to get the aim of perception now.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:McReggae wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@tycho - Ah,that is a truth I leave to God.If you can't doubt yourself and your existence,the question remains,who or what created you.
/@josiah33 - Interesting. I need to study that slowly. If the truth about the self cannot be established, can the truth about anything else be established? At that point it will not be truth but perception!!! Is perception confined to the mind of the individual or the spirit of the body? @Impunity - Thanks. McReggae entered with a checkmate. I'll get back to those two when I get an answer. Perception is not confined to the mind or spirit.It is inclusive of both,whether we are aware of it or not. If truth about the Self cannot be established, then words like 'Spirit' or 'Mind' do not represent truth, but are socially constructed symbols that represent certain perceptions. The mind is the center of our current existence.As of now,proof of the spirit can be said to be perception since we can't analyze the presence of the spirit. Since our existence is a matter of perception, then the mind must also be about perceptions. We need to get the aim of perception now. We will pick it from here tomorrow. Have a good evening fellow philosophers. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:McReggae wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@tycho - Ah,that is a truth I leave to God.If you can't doubt yourself and your existence,the question remains,who or what created you.
/@josiah33 - Interesting. I need to study that slowly. If the truth about the self cannot be established, can the truth about anything else be established? At that point it will not be truth but perception!!! Is perception confined to the mind of the individual or the spirit of the body? @Impunity - Thanks. McReggae entered with a checkmate. I'll get back to those two when I get an answer. Perception is not confined to the mind or spirit.It is inclusive of both,whether we are aware of it or not. If truth about the Self cannot be established, then words like 'Spirit' or 'Mind' do not represent truth, but are socially constructed symbols that represent certain perceptions. The mind is the center of our current existence.As of now,proof of the spirit can be said to be perception since we can't analyze the presence of the spirit. Since our existence is a matter of perception, then the mind must also be about perceptions. We need to get the aim of perception now. The aim of perception is to protect the "I" concept of ourself. Otherwise how would we be able to deal with the question of our very own existence.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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josiah33 wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Impunity wrote:McReggae wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:@tycho - Ah,that is a truth I leave to God.If you can't doubt yourself and your existence,the question remains,who or what created you.
/@josiah33 - Interesting. I need to study that slowly. If the truth about the self cannot be established, can the truth about anything else be established? At that point it will not be truth but perception!!! Is perception confined to the mind of the individual or the spirit of the body? @Impunity - Thanks. McReggae entered with a checkmate. I'll get back to those two when I get an answer. Perception is not confined to the mind or spirit.It is inclusive of both,whether we are aware of it or not. If truth about the Self cannot be established, then words like 'Spirit' or 'Mind' do not represent truth, but are socially constructed symbols that represent certain perceptions. The mind is the center of our current existence.As of now,proof of the spirit can be said to be perception since we can't analyze the presence of the spirit. Since our existence is a matter of perception, then the mind must also be about perceptions. We need to get the aim of perception now. The aim of perception is to protect "I" concept of ourself. Otherwise how would we be able to deal with the very question of our very own existence. @Impunity - Have a good evening too @tycho - The brain receives stimuli which the mind tries to give meaning through perception.@josiah33 has said it perception helps to deal with our existence. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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