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Blame it on our education system. Ati Ludwin Kraph discovered Mt.Kenya. Nkt Btw,poverty is all in the mind. Our education system should start with the mind. @SufficientlyP
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:Blame it on our education system. Ati Ludwin Kraph discovered Mt.Kenya. Nkt Btw,poverty is all in the mind. Our education system should start with the mind. really ?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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guru267 wrote:ChessMaster wrote:guru267 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Someone said we are poor because our good climate inhibits growth. The harsh weather in the West forced them to be innovative and advanced in thought. Necessity is the mother of all........!! I disagree.Case in point,Africa.We have droughts, poverty,disease,politics...we're needy and I can't see any innovation or inventions changing that. @Chessmaster And using your case in point; the countries in Africa with the harshest weather & conditions ie southern and northern Africa are still the most developed on the continent! Aren't the managers of the affairs of those countries predominantly non-black?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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To answer the topic's question?
Ujinga ni mwingi Afrika nyeusi.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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mkeiyd wrote:guru267 wrote:ChessMaster wrote:guru267 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Someone said we are poor because our good climate inhibits growth. The harsh weather in the West forced them to be innovative and advanced in thought. Necessity is the mother of all........!! I disagree.Case in point,Africa.We have droughts, poverty,disease,politics...we're needy and I can't see any innovation or inventions changing that. @Chessmaster And using your case in point; the countries in Africa with the harshest weather & conditions ie southern and northern Africa are still the most developed on the continent! Aren't the managers of the affairs of those countries predominantly non-black? What does 'Afrian' mean? What does 'black' mean?
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/7/2013 Posts: 447 Location: Nairobi
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First is the leaders we have on the table...after independence, first they amassed wealth to themselves, signed contracts that they didnt understand eg mines belonging to some West based company and cant get out of that contract, then as new leaders came in Walifuata nyayo...didn't do anything to develop their country(or even try to get out of those old contracts), they didnt much care about educating the citizens(just in case they got more clever and chose better leaders). I believe education will be a key to wealth and development in the region. Growth of SME should be the Key to African moving up, (forget those big companies now that's why they are re-branding a lot to try to take new markets which they had earlier ignored). On education, I still believe that Technical schools are important in as much as they are turning them all to Universities, we need well trained Technical Engineers. Financing of SME's is important, giving them affordable loans will help us grow. Most of all we have the responsibility to choose good leader, but here we vote based on tribe, and protecting 'our people', not on what they can do for us and for our future. You cant win, unless you first begin....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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mkeiyd wrote:To answer the topic's question?
Ujinga ni mwingi Afrika nyeusi. No.We just value different things. @tycho - One is a race the other is a place you're born. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:mkeiyd wrote:To answer the topic's question?
Ujinga ni mwingi Afrika nyeusi. No.We just value different things. @tycho - One is a race the other is a place you're born. Black is a race, and Africa is where one is born? And what then is the West?
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tycho wrote: What does 'Afrian' mean? What does 'black' mean?
African is anyone who is a citizen of any African state.They could be of any skin color. "Black" is the non-Caucasian/Asian/Arab human race. Predominantly found in Africa with some relatives in the Oceanic region.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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ChessMaster wrote:mkeiyd wrote:To answer the topic's question?
Ujinga ni mwingi Afrika nyeusi. No.We just value different things. @Chessmaster, What values those things differently? Ain't it the mind? So the poverty,diseases,tribalism,civil wars,hunger etc we have around is all due to superb intellect?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:mkeiyd wrote:To answer the topic's question?
Ujinga ni mwingi Afrika nyeusi. No.We just value different things. @tycho - One is a race the other is a place you're born. Black is a race, and Africa is where one is born? And what then is the West? Culture Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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mkeiyd wrote:ChessMaster wrote:mkeiyd wrote:To answer the topic's question?
Ujinga ni mwingi Afrika nyeusi. No.We just value different things. @Chessmaster, What values those things differently? Ain't it the mind? So the poverty,diseases,tribalism,civil wars,hunger etc we have around is all due to superb intellect? Again value systems are developed through cultural perspectives. Its not that we aren't intelligent,its that we don't value intelligence. We have a 'mwakenya' culture of doing things and this goes beyond the classroom. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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I can think of a number of reasons:
1.Among them the fact that we are roughly 50 yrs of age generally( At least as far as today's civilization is concerned.) 2.Our failure to tap fully our potential, and expecting too much to be done for us. 3. Western influence, in some case very severely like where they r forever fighting. 4. Betrayal by our leaders by signing deals after getting their cut and giving away resources for a song.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:mkeiyd wrote:To answer the topic's question?
Ujinga ni mwingi Afrika nyeusi. No.We just value different things. @tycho - One is a race the other is a place you're born. Black is a race, and Africa is where one is born? And what then is the West? Culture So the question 'Why is Africa poor compared to the West?' Is about what?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:tycho wrote:ChessMaster wrote:mkeiyd wrote:To answer the topic's question?
Ujinga ni mwingi Afrika nyeusi. No.We just value different things. @tycho - One is a race the other is a place you're born. Black is a race, and Africa is where one is born? And what then is the West? Culture So the question 'Why is Africa poor compared to the West?' Is about what? To me,just a difference in culture. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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So there's an African culture that is distinct from Western culture?
And how can one determine if one culture is superior to another?
Is a culture that values cows, inferior to one that values skyscrapers?
And what is culture about?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:So there's an African culture that is distinct from Western culture?
And how can one determine if one culture is superior to another?
Is a culture that values cows, inferior to one that values skyscrapers?
And what is culture about? Collectively I don't think we have an African culture but we share similar values. On a national level you can easily see the differences between Western cultures and ours. There is no inferior or superior culture. There is only what works. So far no culture can say is completely perfect though some aspects of the different cultures encourage success in different areas of life. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Neither does a collective Western culture exist! The French for example, don't want to use the word 'Twitter'.
So there's no collective culture, and there's no exclusive culture.
Does a Kenyan culture even exist?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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ChessMaster wrote: Again value systems are developed through cultural perspectives. Its not that we aren't intelligent,its that we don't value intelligence. We have a 'mwakenya' culture of doing things and this goes beyond the classroom.
@Chessmaster, That "mwakenya" or "mwafrica" way of doing things makes us lag behind and always have systems that don't work. A project would be running well with non-blacks in charge. Wait for it to land in the hands of mtu mweusi,suddenly, nothing seems to work. Then the blame game begins. Read some of other comments above, people blaming mzungu for our woes,for our poor leadership etc. Those leaders are representative of us. They don't think. We don't think big. From governance to driving to our politics,no one seems to be thinking. Ujinga na uzembe wa akili,that's why Africa is where it is. The mzungu can only use fools those who are blaming mzungu should realize that.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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tycho wrote:Neither does a collective Western culture exist! The French for example, doesn't want to use the word 'Twitter'.
So there's no collective culture, and there's no exclusive culture.
Yes I agree.But they share a common history and ancestry to some extent. Those commonalities are what they share as a Western culture. Though individually each has their own. Let me use the French example.They want to restrict the use of some words because they are encroaching on their culture.I believe a Kenyan culture exists. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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