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Why is Africa poor in general compared to the West?
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What is interesting is how Africa may be "poor", but its leaders are global billionaires...a unique phenomenon. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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guru267 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Someone said we are poor because our good climate inhibits growth. The harsh weather in the West forced them to be innovative and advanced in thought. Necessity is the mother of all........!!  I disagree.Case in point,Africa.We have droughts,poverty,disease,politics...we're needy and I can't see any innovation or inventions changing that. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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guru267 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Someone said we are poor because our good climate inhibits growth. The harsh weather in the West forced them to be innovative and advanced in thought. Necessity is the mother of all........!!  probably this instilled a culture of finding solutions and hardwork for them...Africa slipped into hunting and gathering ready made things
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:guru267 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Someone said we are poor because our good climate inhibits growth. The harsh weather in the West forced them to be innovative and advanced in thought. Necessity is the mother of all........!!  I disagree.Case in point,Africa.We have droughts, poverty,disease,politics...we're needy and I can't see any innovation or inventions changing that. @Chessmaster a drought is a "once in a time" phenomenon unlike eg winter which is guaranteed every year! And using your case in point; the countries in Africa with the harshest weather & conditions ie southern and northern Africa are still the most developed on the continent! This brings me back to necessity! Even in east Africa.. countries like Uganda, Tanzania, and Congo are still very poor due to abundance whereas the barren land in Kenya has caused its people to be very hard working and industrious! Btw poverty, disease & politics come from human behavior and not the natural environment! Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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guru267 wrote:ChessMaster wrote:guru267 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Someone said we are poor because our good climate inhibits growth. The harsh weather in the West forced them to be innovative and advanced in thought. Necessity is the mother of all........!!  I disagree.Case in point,Africa.We have droughts, poverty,disease,politics...we're needy and I can't see any innovation or inventions changing that. @Chessmaster a drought is a "once in a time" phenomenon unlike eg winter which is guaranteed every year! And using your case in point; the countries in Africa with the harshest weather & conditions ie southern and northern Africa are still the most developed on the continent! This brings me back to necessity! Even in east Africa.. countries like Uganda, Tanzania, and Congo are still very poor due to abundance whereas the barren land in Kenya has caused its people to be very hard working and industrious! Btw poverty, disease & politics come from human behavior and not the natural environment! I don't disagree that harsh weather conditions had an impact in their development. What I'm disagreeing with is that Africa had it easier because we didn't have the same weather conditions.All environments have their challenges. The last sentence,you've stated the problems come from human behavior not the environment.I agree with you there are aspects of our culture that are contributing to them and maybe thats the difference. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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The time reference. Too short. Africa, by the 'global' yardstick is young. Only 50 to 100 years old. In the 50's most of Kenya was just vast forests and plains. We are in the nascent stages of the West-dictated world order. The organized Roman empire dates back to the BC's,..the Mongolian Empire to the 13th Century AD ...by 1500 London was already a huge, organized metropolis. All civilizations start like this, poor, diseased, disorganized, with bloody uprisings and conflicts until the intense pain and suffering systematically reduces the collective foolishness of a population. In fact, Africa's rise has seen less bloodshed than other places ...things like the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, these were nasty pieces of business. Check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/..._of_conflicts_in_Europe
That is a looong list of wars. Europeans and others like to sneer at Africa, but they were in a similar spot, actually worse, a few centuries ago. The only thing is that Africa was interrupted from charting its own destiny, and other people's civilization rudely thrust upon us (as well as getting robbed and enslaved in the process). We live by a Western socio-economic model of development now, so this is a phase, a bad one with poverty and suffering, but it will pass (or abate) after another lengthy period of time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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quicksand wrote:The time reference. Too short. Africa, by the 'global' yardstick is young. Only 50 to 100 years old. In the 50's most of Kenya was just vast forests and plains. We are in the nascent stages of the West-dictated world order. The organized Roman empire dates back to the BC's,..the Mongolian Empire to the 13th Century AD ...by 1500 London was already a huge, organized metropolis. All civilizations start like this, poor, diseased, disorganized, with bloody uprisings and conflicts until the intense pain and suffering systematically reduces the collective foolishness of a population. In fact, Africa's rise has seen less bloodshed than other places ...things like the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, these were nasty pieces of business. Check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/..._of_conflicts_in_Europe
That is a looong list of wars. Europeans and others like to sneer at Africa, but they were in a similar spot, actually worse, a few centuries ago. The only thing is that Africa was interrupted from charting its own destiny, and other people's civilization rudely thrust upon us (as well as getting robbed and enslaved in the process). We live by a Western socio-economic model of development now, so this is a phase, a bad one with poverty and suffering, but it will pass (or abate) after another lengthy period of time. I don't think they would have developed as fast without the wars. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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quicksand wrote:The time reference. Too short. Africa, by the 'global' yardstick is young. Only 50 to 100 years old. In the 50's most of Kenya was just vast forests and plains. We are in the nascent stages of the West-dictated world order. The organized Roman empire dates back to the BC's,..the Mongolian Empire to the 13th Century AD ...by 1500 London was already a huge, organized metropolis. All civilizations start like this, poor, diseased, disorganized, with bloody uprisings and conflicts until the intense pain and suffering systematically reduces the collective foolishness of a population. In fact, Africa's rise has seen less bloodshed than other places ...things like the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, these were nasty pieces of business. Check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/..._of_conflicts_in_Europe
That is a looong list of wars. Europeans and others like to sneer at Africa, but they were in a similar spot, actually worse, a few centuries ago. The only thing is that Africa was interrupted from charting its own destiny, and other people's civilization rudely thrust upon us (as well as getting robbed and enslaved in the process). We live by a Western socio-economic model of development now, so this is a phase, a bad one with poverty and suffering, but it will pass (or abate) after another lengthy period of time. thanks quicksand for bringing up the temporal angle. We forget that Africa had civilizations before what we currently refer to as African nations that were drawn up recently. The Malian empire reigned vast vast regions of what is now the Sahara desert (13th to 16th century). There also were the Songhai, Mali and Dendi kingdoms which eventually disintegrated. The Ghana empire was there even 1500 BC in present day Muaritania before the advent of Islam in Africa. Somalia had a thriving civilization back in 13th century, actually there is evidence of civilization in Somalia from back in 4000 BC. The question now is when did the rain start beating us? why did we slip so much back to be the poster child for backwardness and lack of development? We even have our very own Gede ruins before vasco da gama 'discovered' our a$$  in Malindi We can blame the west all we want but are we doing things any differently now that we are 'independent' (sic)?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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quicksand wrote:The time reference. Too short. Africa, by the 'global' yardstick is young. Only 50 to 100 years old. In the 50's most of Kenya was just vast forests and plains. We are in the nascent stages of the West-dictated world order. The organized Roman empire dates back to the BC's,..the Mongolian Empire to the 13th Century AD ...by 1500 London was already a huge, organized metropolis. All civilizations start like this, poor, diseased, disorganized, with bloody uprisings and conflicts until the intense pain and suffering systematically reduces the collective foolishness of a population. In fact, Africa's rise has seen less bloodshed than other places ...things like the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, these were nasty pieces of business. Check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/..._of_conflicts_in_Europe
That is a looong list of wars. Europeans and others like to sneer at Africa, but they were in a similar spot, actually worse, a few centuries ago. The only thing is that Africa was interrupted from charting its own destiny, and other people's civilization rudely thrust upon us (as well as getting robbed and enslaved in the process). We live by a Western socio-economic model of development now, so this is a phase, a bad one with poverty and suffering, but it will pass (or abate) after another lengthy period of time. From this piece it sounds like you are suggesting Africans have evolved slower than everyone else.. But what are the reasons for that? Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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S.Mutaga III wrote:I had a discussion with a Caucasian friend as to why Africa is poor, he said that the main reason was influence from the West and also corruption in faulty systems of government. I agreed but would like to know what wazuans think on the issue. Will our vision 2030 blueprint materialize? If you dont think so,why? And what is your way forward? I tend to agree that influence from the West causes poverty. Countries that have recently cut off Western Influence such as Brazil, China, Russia, Middle East, Argentina e.t.c have of late made huge leaps in reduction of poverty. Countries still flirting with the West such as Most of Africa, Nigeria, Kenya, Uganda ,TZ, Chad ,Indonesia,have very high poverty levels. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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