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mungiki- how many must die
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:32:00 AM
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Eti give land back - sounds familiar - Mugabe-conomics.
Unwittingly,folks are pushing Mugabeism here in Kenya,or a socialism of sorts.
Apart from the Kenyattas and other Kikuyus punching bags,lets not conveniently blind ourselves to who else owns large swathes of land in this country,- stand up the Delamares,Criticos,Kuki Gullmans,Mois,and all the Ranchers aroung Laikipia and elsewhere.
Think again folks.

Having said that,

I thought Mungikism sprouted for the very first time in the Rift valley as a result of ethnic cleansing during the clammer for multi partism and the subsequent elections.
The original raison d'etre,was fighting back rival warriors who were ejecting the Kikuyu out of Rift valley.
Over the years the group has metamorphosed to a monster with a completely diferrent agenda.
Left unchecked,spells doom to all,not to Kikuyus only,as some people have tended to believe. Case in point is - doing business in Nairobi,one has to content with their illegal 'taxes'. Even putting up a building,you got to pay them.


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Brewer
#22 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:37:00 AM
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Tusker Baridi- you really reached to your backside and hurled your stuff on anything in sight,just to isolate and smear Central Province,and any persons appearing to lead them,a strategy too easy to see nowadays. People are trying to grapple with Mungiki and if you are providing solutions,you may need to appear like you understand the problem first.
kingfisher
#23 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:45:00 AM
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@all

This mungiki thing can only thrive in the larger murang'a / kiambu and nairobi by extention because that is where its origin and culture is found

i remember three / four years ago at their height of impunity in the above mentioned areas they also tried their luck in Meru....they were given matching orders but the stupid thugs thought it was a big joke.......the following day a few of them were lynched and other beaten almost to death.......they have never come back!!

the point is dont give them any breathing space coz they are like camels.....they put their heads first in your tent,then the neck and thereafter the whole body and at that time it will be difficult to get it(camel) out.......so get rid of them before they pitch a tent......na hiyo ndio kazi inaendelea kirinyaga and am proud of those kirinyaga vigilantes!

@TB.......i would advice you leave these central guys alone to sort out their problem...after all its their children/bros/sis/etc,so stay out of it!

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#24 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:49:00 AM
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I think TB has a point. Mungiki certainly have patrons otherwise they would have been stamped out ages ago. But I still differ with TB on his generalizations. Mungiki is no longer a Kikuyu problem though the most pain is certainly being felt in CP at the moment. Its just a matter of time before everyone feels it too. Soon there will be copy cat gangs all over,and everyone will suffer.

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#25 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:16:00 AM
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kingfisher - LOL... ati the mungiki went to harass Merus? LOL... Who next will they try to harass? The Masais?

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mozenrat
#26 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:39:00 AM
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How quickly we forget... Just a few short years ago everyone knew... Mungiki DID NOT originate in Central province...It was started in the Rift Valley... specifically in the Laikipia region where Kyuks were being threatened with Molo-like murders.... Membership grew and spread to Central kenya... When the threat that existed in Laikipia subsided,these young men suddenly had nowhere to go and nothing to do... Then Dandora came knocking requiring the same 'Security services' for their matatus from the Taliban or some other group... I actually remember a demonstration by Matatu owners in that area in support of Mungiki who had supposedly 'liberated' them only for them to cry out when they realised that there was no difference between the two groups.... Muranga was just a latter-day base of operation... AND NO Mungiki has nothing to do with Mau Mau...
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:42:00 AM
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Reference to Mungiki as a central Kenya problem is simply coz it seems that only businesses within the region are targeted. Personally I think its a kenyan problem and as long as the gava is happy to watch them on the news,it will become even worse.

I think the challange for central kenya is to admit your past,the fact of the matter is that Kenyatta and his cronies grabbed all the lands in central (word on the street has it that Kenyattat owns or used to own all the land btn Nai and thika) and pushed Mau Mau fighters to Laikipia,Molo and Nyahururu.

That Mungiki has its origins in Laikipia probably explains why they are refered to us descendants of Mau Mau. I don't think they can justify their actions,as far as I am concerned they are simply criminals out to benefit from the hard work of others.

The Kenyattas,Moi's,Koinange's and the other large land owners must return the land to the people,there is no way we can make them our leaders just for them to turn around and steal from us. It may not happen now but they will return all that land they took.

Infact this people are the one's perpetrating the existence of Mungiki. Btn UK,MK,Saitoti and other Central Kenya leaders thay have the ability to completely wipe out this sect,but they won't coz they are using them for their selfish ends.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:21:00 PM
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#29 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:47:00 PM
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obi 1 kanobi

Well said. need I say more. Let the likes of Kenyatta,mk,moi,Koinange,Delamere et al give back the stollen land. Otherwise things will never be the same again.

You can accuse 'them' of perptrating the 'mugabe thing' But unfortunately,that might be the way to go. kwani Kenya ni ya nani?

Wakwende!!! Kenyans have been pushed to the wall and the only option left is to hit back. And hitting back.................






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B.Timer
#30 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:49:00 PM
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Justice must be done on the whole issue of Mungiki as we know them today.
They do not have more rights than the rest of us.
They must toil,soil their hands and break a sweat if they expect to earn a living and or create wealth.
This argument about their supposed deprivation of land at independence doesnt quite wash.
At independence,Kenyas population was a paltry 8million or there abouts. I am not aware that,at that time there was anything akin to the current kind of rat race for land.
Any one who knew the value of land and made an effort to get it,got it.
Some got it in the rift valley - bought it from departing Johnies.
If some,ne'er do wells made no effort at all,or got it but later sold it off,then,they have to deal with the situation they find themselves in,without demanding for illegal levies and generally making life difficult for everybody else.

Those wily foxes in govt then,who amassed large tracts of land for themselves,though immoral,they own it legaly and there can not be any civil/legal basis to disposes them of their asset.
Over the years some have sold part and/or and invested the proceeds in different sectors of the economy,- do we also snatch those other investments from them?

The Kenyatta family has,and continues to sell substantial part of their land.
Criticos sold/attached his land for financial facilities.
How do you begin to sort that out - i.e if we were to be mad enough to take that route.

I say,let the Delamares be.


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