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XCESS FUEL CONSUMPTION - DRIVE OR NEUTRAL
jamplu
#11 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:31:24 PM
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Burning Spear wrote:
Dear Wazuans,

I know this is a debatable topic but I have noted over a long time that when I engage N while on traffic jam, the R/min rise as copared to when stopping while on D.

So when does the car consume alot, when on N or D.


Most likely that shift from N to D over and over will definitely affect the lever link but in terms of saving fuel i bet the difference is negligible!

I checked in one manual and they have specified the different rpm's expected for different gears including when the AC is on.

mukiha
#12 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:15:35 AM
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When stationary in N; revs are at "idle" setting. Car consumes minimum fuel.

When in D but stationary via hand-break; revs go down slightly BUT, due to loading as car tries to move, the EFI enriches the air-fuel mixture. Car consumes almost same as previous case... probably exactly the same.

When in D via foot brake; revs go slightly lower than above because foot break vacuum chamber uses intake suction pressure. EFI enriches air-fuel mixture even farther. Car consumes more fuel than when on hand break.... but just slightly more than when in N.

Conclusion: if you want to save fuel, turn off the engine completely each time you stop... but your savings might be eaten by the extra wear on your starter...
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#13 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:31:27 AM
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Mukiha - Thanks for the info. I personally found it annoying when the driver infront switches off and takes his time to restart when the jam gets moving.

Doesnt the need to keep up with traffic mean that if you switched off, you will utilise much more fuel at take off? I think that there will be no savings at all if you are forced to put heavy foot to pedal to catch up with the cars in front or at least to prevent that evil cop from stopping the traffic stream right at the time you get to the round about.
mkeiyd
#14 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:08:53 AM
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I think when on N, the engine is free, not loaded and that's why the rpm goes slightly up. It has nothing to do with consuming more.
Think of it this way, when your car is loaded to capacity with luggage or passengers and you floor the accelerator, what happens? Compare that to when the car has the driver only [not loaded] and its downhill and you floor the accelerator, what happens?
Does it mean loaded to capacity or uphill a car consumes less just coz the rpm doesn't goes as high as when on a downhill and not loaded?

It all depends on how the engine is "loaded".
D and not moving consumes slightly more fuel than when on N ,since the engine is not free.
Burning Spear
#15 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:31:36 PM
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This is absolutely beautiful. Well rounded explanations. I now understands why and what to do.
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banyamulenge
#16 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:41:12 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
I think when on N, the engine is free, not loaded and that's why the rpm goes slightly up. It has nothing to do with consuming more.
Think of it this way, when your car is loaded to capacity with luggage or passengers and you floor the accelerator, what happens? Compare that to when the car has the driver only [not loaded] and its downhill and you floor the accelerator, what happens?
Does it mean loaded to capacity or uphill a car consumes less just coz the rpm doesn't goes as high as when on a downhill and loaded?

It all depends on how the engine is "loaded".
D and not moving consumes slightly more fuel than when on N ,since the engine is free.


@Mckeind uv nailed it neatly Shift to Neutral

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tuvok
#17 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:33:40 PM
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banyamulenge wrote:


@Mckeind uv nailed it neatly Shift to Neutral


Useful article.


Also noticed that shifting to N from D. Revs went up slightly for a couple of seconds then back to the same level. Computer doing its thing I suppose.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:36:37 PM
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Burning Spear
#19 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:27:13 PM
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tuvok wrote:
banyamulenge wrote:


@Mckeind uv nailed it neatly Shift to Neutral


Useful article.


Also noticed that shifting to N from D. Revs went up slightly for a couple of seconds then back to the same level. Computer doing its thing I suppose.


Great article. Thanx
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#20 Posted : Friday, February 01, 2013 10:30:46 AM
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mkeiyd wrote:
I think when on N, the engine is free, not loaded and that's why the rpm goes slightly up. It has nothing to do with consuming more.
Think of it this way, when your car is loaded to capacity with luggage or passengers and you floor the accelerator, what happens? Compare that to when the car has the driver only [not loaded] and its downhill and you floor the accelerator, what happens?
Does it mean loaded to capacity or uphill a car consumes less just coz the rpm doesn't goes as high as when on a downhill and not loaded?

It all depends on how the engine is "loaded".
D and not moving consumes slightly more fuel than when on N ,since the engine is not free.


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