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tycho
#121 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:17:10 PM
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Life is always about self replication. Look at the cell, the organism, the ecosystem.

High power concentration, is a relative term. In this case Eve says, 'How wonderful it is to be wise'.
ChessMaster
#122 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:21:31 PM
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Is replication a process of life or its objective?
About Eve,was that the line she used on herself so she can eat the fruit or was it true. I ask because I wonder,what wisdom did she gain from eating it and did Adam get it too
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#123 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:44:47 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Is replication a process of life or its objective?
About Eve,was that the line she used on herself so she can eat the fruit or was it true. I ask because I wonder,what wisdom did she gain from eating it and did Adam get it too


The motif in life is not of exclusivity, but conjunctions. Like Hegelian dialectics. Or Solomon's 'time' for everything.

Observation is also a time function. So self replication is both a process and objective, it only depends on observation times.

'You shall be like God'. This was the devil's argument, which, was a truth.

Eve's statement was an acknowledgement of the statement.

God later acknowledges, 'Man has become like us'.
ChessMaster
#124 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:47:05 PM
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Observation sounds right. I wonder how man was before eating the fruit.What changed
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#125 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:01:54 PM
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When a program is running within confines, one is confident and 'innocent'.

When a bug is revealed what happens?
Shame and guilt come in.

What changed was how man began to see himself via the mirror.
ChessMaster
#126 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:03:59 PM
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I like that,we can't see ourselves without another person acting as a mirror but we end up seeing ourselves incomplete without them.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#127 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:18:47 PM
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Without an other, a mirror, one feels incomplete. He cannot see.

But when there's another, one sees his/her incompleteness.

Love becomes a search/ pursuit for completeness.
ChessMaster
#128 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:24:04 PM
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tycho wrote:
Without an other, a mirror, one feels incomplete. He cannot see.

But when there's another, one sees his/her incompleteness.

Love becomes a search/ pursuit for completeness.

At this point I have to say I'm stumped. If love and completeness are intertwined, how does love help achieve completeness. Does that mean we would be naturally attracted to people we can be complete with?
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#129 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:35:38 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
Without an other, a mirror, one feels incomplete. He cannot see.

But when there's another, one sees his/her incompleteness.

Love becomes a search/ pursuit for completeness.

At this point I have to say I'm stumped. If love and completeness are intertwined, how does love help achieve completeness. Does that mean we would be naturally attracted to people we can be complete with?


Love fosters completeness through identification. The incomplete is accepted and embraced, and in this, guilt and shame are defeated.

Love is the debugging of the program.

Yes. We are attracted to people who can complete us. This is what is implied when Eve is called a 'helper'.
ChessMaster
#130 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:39:56 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
Without an other, a mirror, one feels incomplete. He cannot see.

But when there's another, one sees his/her incompleteness.

Love becomes a search/ pursuit for completeness.

At this point I have to say I'm stumped. If love and completeness are intertwined, how does love help achieve completeness. Does that mean we would be naturally attracted to people we can be complete with?


Love fosters completeness through identification. The incomplete is accepted and embraced, and in this, guilt and shame are defeated.

Love is the debugging of the program.

Yes. We are attracted to people who can complete us. This is what is implied when Eve is called a 'helper'.

Applause Applause
I think I get it now tycho.Today I've learnt something powerful.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#131 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:43:32 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
Without an other, a mirror, one feels incomplete. He cannot see.

But when there's another, one sees his/her incompleteness.

Love becomes a search/ pursuit for completeness.

At this point I have to say I'm stumped. If love and completeness are intertwined, how does love help achieve completeness. Does that mean we would be naturally attracted to people we can be complete with?


Love fosters completeness through identification. The incomplete is accepted and embraced, and in this, guilt and shame are defeated.

Love is the debugging of the program.

Yes. We are attracted to people who can complete us. This is what is implied when Eve is called a 'helper'.

Applause Applause
I think I get it now tycho.Today I've learnt something powerful.


Me too. You have taught me a lot of new things. I'm very grateful.
ChessMaster
#132 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:44:14 PM
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Let me share something I learnt about gravity and love.In gravity the bigger and closer two objects are, the stronger the gravitational pull. In love the bigger and better you help each other become the more you are attracted to each other.The further apart and destructive you become....you get the drift.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#133 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:52:59 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Let me share something I learnt about gravity and love.In gravity the bigger and closer two objects are, the stronger the gravitational pull. In love the bigger and better you help each other become the more you are attracted to each other.The further apart and destructive you become....you get the drift.


Yes. I almost mentioned it last time (not in this form exactly). But something held me back.

But you've got it right. And brought in the transformative nature of love.

Or rather, completeness is a result of transformation or 'spiritual growth'.
ChessMaster
#134 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:58:21 PM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Let me share something I learnt about gravity and love.In gravity the bigger and closer two objects are, the stronger the gravitational pull. In love the bigger and better you help each other become the more you are attracted to each other.The further apart and destructive you become....you get the drift.


Yes. I almost mentioned it last time (not in this form exactly). But something held me back.

But you've got it right. And brought in the transformative nature of love.

Or rather, completeness is a result of transformation or 'spiritual growth'.


Seems we think alike. So with love everyone grows and no one loses. So individuality in terms of greed and such destroys unlimited growth potential because unconditional love would imply unconditional growth and benefits.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
tycho
#135 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:03:29 AM
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ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Let me share something I learnt about gravity and love.In gravity the bigger and closer two objects are, the stronger the gravitational pull. In love the bigger and better you help each other become the more you are attracted to each other.The further apart and destructive you become....you get the drift.


Yes. I almost mentioned it last time (not in this form exactly). But something held me back.

But you've got it right. And brought in the transformative nature of love.

Or rather, completeness is a result of transformation or 'spiritual growth'.


Seems we think alike. So with love everyone grows and no one loses. So individuality in terms of greed and such destroys unlimited growth potential because unconditional love would imply unconditional growth and benefits.


'Ditto!'

Thanks for the address. I will use it.
aemathenge
#136 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:33:02 AM
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tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
tycho wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Let me share something I learnt about gravity and love.In gravity the bigger and closer two objects are, the stronger the gravitational pull. In love the bigger and better you help each other become the more you are attracted to each other.The further apart and destructive you become....you get the drift.


Yes. I almost mentioned it last time (not in this form exactly). But something held me back.

But you've got it right. And brought in the transformative nature of love.

Or rather, completeness is a result of transformation or 'spiritual growth'.


Seems we think alike. So with love everyone grows and no one loses. So individuality in terms of greed and such destroys unlimited growth potential because unconditional love would imply unconditional growth and benefits.


'Ditto!'

Thanks for the address. I will use it.


Here in then lies my dilemma.

@ChessMaster, love makes one complete, just like it made your father and mother complete. Yet you are a loner, not lonely but a loner.

I put it to you that you are indeed in love with yourself, with all that pertains with being in love with yourself, the mind, the spirit and the physical being. What say you?

@Tycho, you deftly dodged the question of love between your father and mother. I let that rest.

You do, however, express love for someone else although you do not know whether she, in turn, loves you back. Are we talking about love not returned? One way love? Obsession perhaps? Stalking?

How will I know, if he/she really loves me?
I say a prayer with every heartbeat.
I fall in love whenever we meet.....


How in deed will I (we) know?
tycho
#137 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:24:35 PM
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@Mahegoat, your observations about my post are not so wrong! Yet they are not absolutely correct. (A case of fuzzy logic?)

I think it is important for us to think about how we are communicating, for ultimately, it is also how we love, or better put, how we participate in love.

Though I deftly avoided to speak about my parents, I 'answered' your question.

And my answer created the uncertainty you have perceived in me.

But you have certainly not seen it!

And therefore you are also uncertain.

We are both incomplete.

But then you ask a question. Why do you ask the question? That is, what is the motive?

My interpretation was you care about the answer?

And so this post has a motive. Can you feel it? Does it correspond to your motive?


Angelica _ann
#138 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:39:56 PM
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aemathenge
#139 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:34:53 PM
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tycho wrote:
I think it is important for us to think about how we are communicating, for ultimately, it is also how we love, or better put, how we participate in love.


My motive is to understand how we love. How you love. How I love. And then how the subject of my love loves me (you) back or how I judge that she/he is loving me (you) back.

You said "But I called her a while ago. And yes, I felt good, and her voice was soothing and full of cheer. So latest data shows presence of love.

Hehehe! I don't know how our next encounter will be like though. She has a free mind, you know!"


Makes me wonder.

Is she the banker?

You "visit" her and marvel at her facade, her twins, her attire, Thailand et al. She transacts for you, even calls upstairs to speedy your transaction. She smiles and you feel good and with that picture in mind, you leave.

The next day you visit, she is probably off for the day and you do not like her replacement. That day, the desk and the bank make less because the lovers do not meet and "consummate" their love.

OR. Is she the Lecturer?

You take the Philosophy and Psychology of Finance option because you are enamored by the Lecturer, her facade, her twins, her attire, her Thailand et al.

It is a tough subject, few pass, but you excel. She asks a question. Nobody answers, no raised hands, non make eye contact. Oh but you do. Mr. Tycho? she purrs. And you are off. Verse and chapter, author, book title, edition and year of printing. The class claps in awe. She smiles at you and love is in the air.

This semester, she is a visiting Professor at another University thus you speak of But I called her a while ago. The new Lecture is perplexed. You miss lectures, your CATS are accident scenes and you are miles away during Q and A sessions.

Tell me I am wrong.
josiah33
#140 Posted : Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:45:34 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
I think it is important for us to think about how we are communicating, for ultimately, it is also how we love, or better put, how we participate in love.


My motive is to understand how we love. How you love. How I love. And then how the subject of my love loves me (you) back or how I judge that she/he is loving me (you) back.

You said "But I called her a while ago. And yes, I felt good, and her voice was soothing and full of cheer. So latest data shows presence of love.

Hehehe! I don't know how our next encounter will be like though. She has a free mind, you know!"


Makes me wonder.

Is she the banker?

You "visit" her and marvel at her facade, her twins, her attire, Thailand et al. She transacts for you, even calls upstairs to speedy your transaction. She smiles and you feel good and with that picture in mind, you leave.

The next day you visit, she is probably off for the day and you do not like her replacement. That day, the desk and the bank make less because the lovers do not meet and "consummate" their love.

OR. Is she the Lecturer?

You take the Philosophy and Psychology of Finance option because you are enamored by the Lecturer, her facade, her twins, her attire, her Thailand et al.

It is a tough subject, few pass, but you excel. She asks a question. Nobody answers, no raised hands, non make eye contact. Oh but you do. Mr. Tycho? she purrs. And you are off. Verse and chapter, author, book title, edition and year of printing. The class claps in awe. She smiles at you and love is in the air.

This semester, she is a visiting Professor at another University thus you speak of But I called her a while ago. The new Lecture is perplexed. You miss lectures, your CATS are accident scenes and you are miles away during Q and A sessions.

Tell me I am wrong.

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