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Syokimau Railway Line
maina20
#141 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:53:08 AM
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murchr wrote:
Kenya Railways has now partnered with Double M - Public Service Vehicle operators to provide rail connect services to your destination. The rail connect buses will deliver you to Syokimau railway station from Mlolongo area, Syokimau, Athi River JKIA, and Kitengela. You can then board the train to town.

Another flop....history repeating itself....Double M was partnered and even branded to provide connection from muthurwa stage to wherever....when muthurwa was the only stage for all mathree which ply Jogoo rd. How long did it last? it didnt make economic sense to them either.... its just another remedy to a symptom rather than the disease...
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mkeiyd
#142 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:25:09 PM
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maina20 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Kenya Railways has now partnered with Double M - Public Service Vehicle operators to provide rail connect services to your destination. The rail connect buses will deliver you to Syokimau railway station from Mlolongo area, Syokimau, Athi River JKIA, and Kitengela. You can then board the train to town.

Another flop....history repeating itself....Double M was partnered and even branded to provide connection from muthurwa stage to wherever....when muthurwa was the only stage for all mathree which ply Jogoo rd. How long did it last? it didnt make economic sense to them either.... its just another remedy to a symptom rather than the disease...



I think it's good to first understand why the Muthurwa arrangement failed. That plan didn't fail coz it was unworkable,Double M were not protected from other competitors. If the ticketing takes in account of the passengers who'll need onward connection,the issue of competitors under charging will not arise and those passengers will be guaranteed of buses whenever they dis-embark from the train.
That will call up for integrated payment system,with passengers using cards or coded tickets.
Kausha
#143 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 1:49:49 PM
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@maina, you are right, it's just another remedy to a symptom rather than the disease. The disease is the commuter rail system is a noble concept but in syokimau's case has been poorly executed. The previous transport train originated from athiriver, stopped at mlolongo, industrial area and railway station. This schedule has to be the spine of this syokimau route for success. Secondly the station is poorly positioned. Among other things it requires a pedestrian crossing from the other side which has allthe residential clusters. Security is required It also has to be an end to end service with stations built across the route and lastly a schedule has to be maintained and its integrity guaranteed in the same way airlines operate otherwise this is a waste of public funds with minimal value accruing to the public!
Impunity
#144 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 11:31:02 PM
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nakujua wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Money Whisperer wrote:
Kausha wrote:
..decent commuter trains use electricity from the mains...

These are run with electricity generated from nuclear energy


Not always, only a small percentage of worldwide electric trains use energy generated from Nuclear energy.
For instance Venezuela use diesel powered thermal electric power plants to produce electricity for the national grid, the grid electricity which is used to run the country's electric trains.
The last time I checked,Venezuela had no single nuclear power plant.

The dirty engines you see pulling the Syokimau express are all electric trains, only that they are kind of self contained, producing their own electricity from huge diesel fired internal combustion engines, they dont draw electric power from the the grid.

So for your information Kenya has electric trains.


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Cheka tu lakini you must know that Kenya started using electric trains sometime back in early 70s when steam engines were being retired srore.

Ignorant people especially in wazua think that when the Syokimau express billows blackest smoke then its not an electric train, no it is; the engine is however not tuned properly.

Last summer I used Amtrak and could imagine the loco was burning diesel, the exhaust was clearer than the shoot of most of you here.
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Pesa Nane
#145 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:46:15 AM
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maina20 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Kenya Railways has now partnered with Double M - Public Service Vehicle operators to provide rail connect services to your destination. The rail connect buses will deliver you to Syokimau railway station from Mlolongo area, Syokimau, Athi River JKIA, and Kitengela. You can then board the train to town.

Another flop....history repeating itself....Double M was partnered and even branded to provide connection from muthurwa stage to wherever....when muthurwa was the only stage for all mathree which ply Jogoo rd. How long did it last? it didnt make economic sense to them either.... its just another remedy to a symptom rather than the disease...


Fares Halved to save Syokimau Train
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InnovateGuy
#146 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:05:04 AM
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KRC made a bold move by reducing the fare by 50 %.

They just realised their mistake and made remedy.

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poundfoolish
#147 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:58:18 PM
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To all the proponents..

Id hate to say.. we the opponents were right..

Good idea, bad planning and implementation......

HA!
Wakandi
#148 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:49:44 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
To all the proponents..

Id hate to say.. we the opponents were right..

Good idea, bad planning and implementation......

HA!

Wait until the day the JKIA turn off-Rironi construction begins, people will go running to the train!
jamplu
#149 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:26:58 PM
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Wakandi wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
To all the proponents..

Id hate to say.. we the opponents were right..

Good idea, bad planning and implementation......

HA!

Wait until the day the JKIA turn off-Rironi construction begins, people will go running to the train!


City Council will also soon be increasing parking fee you will beg for more trains
Pesa Nane
#150 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:35:58 PM
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jamplu wrote:
Wakandi wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
To all the proponents..

Id hate to say.. we the opponents were right..

Good idea, bad planning and implementation......

HA!

Wait until the day the JKIA turn off-Rironi construction begins, people will go running to the train!


City Council will also soon be increasing parking fee you will beg for more trains

Sad Sad Uptake of the service should not be based on threats. Make it ATTRACTIVE (convenience, value for money, enjoyable, appealing....) Go back to the drawing board!!
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Ngong
#151 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:28:27 PM
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Market forces at work!
jamplu
#152 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:26:31 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
jamplu wrote:
Wakandi wrote:
poundfoolish wrote:
To all the proponents..

Id hate to say.. we the opponents were right..

Good idea, bad planning and implementation......

HA!

Wait until the day the JKIA turn off-Rironi construction begins, people will go running to the train!


City Council will also soon be increasing parking fee you will beg for more trains

Sad Sad Uptake of the service should not be based on threats. Make it ATTRACTIVE (convenience, value for money, enjoyable, appealing....) Go back to the drawing board!!


There are no threats here...upgrade of msa rd will start at some point, Nrb city council has always wanted to increase parking fee to decongest the town! 50bob is more than attractive and lets not expect to be at par with rail services in Newyork or London we have to start somewhere!!
Pesa Nane
#153 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:39:30 PM
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jamplu wrote:

There are no threats here...upgrade of msa rd will start at some point, Nrb city council has always wanted to increase parking fee to decongest the town! 50bob is more than attractive and lets not expect to be at par with rail services in Newyork or London we have to start somewhere!!

Parking fees are collected to raise revenue and should remain as such. NOT to decongest (Read Scare away, Chase away residents). drawing board, drawing board!!
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Blackberry
#154 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:34:08 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
jamplu wrote:

There are no threats here...upgrade of msa rd will start at some point, Nrb city council has always wanted to increase parking fee to decongest the town! 50bob is more than attractive and lets not expect to be at par with rail services in Newyork or London we have to start somewhere!!

Parking fees are collected to raise revenue and should remain as such. NOT to decongest (Read Scare away, Chase away residents). drawing board, drawing board!!


@ Pesa nane what's with all the hatting? Chida iko wapi? im sure NCR and other stakeholders are busy on the drawing board reviewing and juggling what nots for the success of this project and benefit of all. useless criticism

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mkeiyd
#155 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:42:39 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:

Parking fees are collected to raise revenue and should remain as such. NOT to decongest (Read Scare away, Chase away residents). drawing board, drawing board!!


@Pesa nane, Charging of parking fees is a tool that cuts two ways.
Raise revenue as well as a de-congestion tool.
We've turned our narrow roads into parking slots. That has to change.
Pesa Nane
#156 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:26:00 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:


@Pesa nane, Charging of parking fees is a tool that cuts two ways.
Raise revenue as well as a de-congestion tool.
We've turned our narrow roads into parking slots. That has to change.


@mkeiyd, Parking is a public utility, just like a hospital. Would you charge health care prohibitively just because there is an outbreak of diseases and patients are crowding the health facilities? Sad Sad

blackberry wrote:

@ Pesa nane what's with all the hatting? Chida iko wapi? im sure NCR and other stakeholders are busy on the drawing board reviewing and juggling what nots for the success of this project and benefit of all. useless criticism


@blackberry, No hating! (hatting, hehe) Think tanks have been employed to think, plan forward, strategize, etc. Let them earn their salaries. Sad Sad
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mkeiyd
#157 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:58:38 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:


@mkeiyd, Parking is a public utility, just like a hospital. Would you charge health care prohibitively just because there is an outbreak of diseases and patients are crowding the health facilities?


@Pesa nane, Those are two are too different to ever be compared.
In most of the cities we wish to emulate,parking fees per day is thrice or more,the cost of a decent meal, yet their health care costs are more affordable than in Nairobi.

How much is the cost of a decent meal in Nairobi? Three times that is what CCN should charge to de-congest.

Parking on the road becomes utility when used by utility vehicles,ambulance,garbage trucks,delivery vans etc.

What needs to be invested in is mechanized car park towers
jamplu
#158 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:24:38 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:


@mkeiyd, Parking is a public utility, just like a hospital. Would you charge health care prohibitively just because there is an outbreak of diseases and patients are crowding the health facilities?


@Pesa nane, Those are two are too different to ever be compared.
In most of the cities we wish to emulate,parking fees per day is thrice or more,the cost of a decent meal, yet their health care costs are more affordable than in Nairobi.

How much is the cost of a decent meal in Nairobi? Three times that is what CCN should charge to de-congest.

Parking on the road becomes utility when used by utility vehicles,ambulance,garbage trucks,delivery vans etc.

What needs to be invested in is mechanized car park towers


to park in some parts of london the cost is over £6 per hour its as high as £3821.00 per year do the math!!

As much as we claim we are being scared away remember companies are moving from CBD for lack of parking space for their customers because all parking slots are occupied by people who park their cars from 8 to 5. This is affecting those renting out office space they are loosing revenue.
Increasing parking fee is not the ultimate solution. There is need to invest in construction of Parking lots but i understand there were some plots in town meant for that but are currently privately owned so for now there is no choice increase parking fee and try to bring some sanity within town!


Pesa Nane
#159 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:26:25 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:


@Pesa nane, Those are two are too different to ever be compared.
In most of the cities we wish to emulate,parking fees per day is thrice or more,the cost of a decent meal, yet their health care costs are more affordable than in Nairobi.

How much is the cost of a decent meal in Nairobi? Three times that is what CCN should charge to de-congest.


@mkeiyd, you should appreciate my line of argument. Residents should not be punished for owning vehicles, nor for having businesses at the CBD. Residents should be given incentives to see alternatives and planners should plan with growth in mind and keep pace with the same. And I don't buy you theory. A WEEK'S parking at P26, P51 at Geneva AIRPORT is just 93 CHF starting next spring (3 kiosk meals). Shame on you Shame on you And why do you want 'fast' world pricing in 'slow' world??
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mkeiyd
#160 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:34:51 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:


@Pesa nane, Those are two are too different to ever be compared.
In most of the cities we wish to emulate,parking fees per day is thrice or more,the cost of a decent meal, yet their health care costs are more affordable than in Nairobi.

How much is the cost of a decent meal in Nairobi? Three times that is what CCN should charge to de-congest.


@mkeiyd, you should appreciate my line of argument. Residents should not be punished for owning vehicles, nor for having businesses at the CBD. A WEEK'S parking at P26, P51 at Geneva AIRPORT is just 93 CHF starting next spring (3 kiosk meals). Shame on you Shame on you And why do you want 'fast' world pricing in 'slow' world??


@Pesa nane, 1 CHF=95.60KES therefore 93CHF=8,835KES.
3 kiosk meals ehh!?! How much does a decent meal cost?

Those fees apply at the airport,is it possible to go park at the airport then head to the CBD?

Below are some of the world cities" CBDs


Purchase an NYC Parking Card online

Location Hourly Rate
the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island $1.00
Manhattan above 110th Street $1.00
Manhattan from 96th to 110th Street $1.50
Manhattan below 96th Street $3.50
commercial vehicle spaces in Manhattan $4.00 (first hour)
$5.00 (second hour)
$6.00 (third hour)
charter bus metered spaces in Manhattan $20.00 (three hour maximum)
PARK Smart NYC
PARK Smart is a program developed with the community to make parking easier while reducing congestion and improving safety. PARK Smart aims to increase the number of available metered parking spaces by encouraging motorists to park no longer than necessary. The meter rate is higher when demand for parking is greatest and decreases when demand is lower.
Learn more about Park Smart




Parking in London can be difficult, particularly in Central London. If you plan to drive in London, plan ahead by researching car parks near your destination and, if necessary, pre-paying the London Congestion Charge.
London was the world's first major city to introduce a congestion charge to reduce the flow of traffic into and around the city centre.

The charge is £10 if you pay in advance or by midnight on the day of travel, or £12 if you pay by midnight the following charging day. You can pay the following charging day only via the Transport for London website or call centre. If you're registered for Congestion Charging Auto Pay, you'll be charged £9. If you travel on a Friday you have until midnight on the following Monday to pay.

You must pay the charge to avoid receiving a £120 fine.




These areas coincide with the highest-price zone for on-street parking and public-sector off-street parking. On-street parking here costs 1000 Won per 10 minutes (US$0.90 or so - meaning $5.40 per hour).

On-street parking pricing in Seoul is via parking attendants who wield digital handhelds
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High parking fees world over is a tool for de-congesting. The wheel cannot be re-invented.
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