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where did HIV/AIDS really come from?
vky
#21 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 7:15:59 PM
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@BGL, just wondering out loud here what, are the odds that a person who suffered an autoimmune disease say myasthenia gravis and fully recovered, develop some form of immunity against hiv. it doesn't have to be the quoted disease but any autoimmune disease where 100% remission was reported
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BGL
#22 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 9:32:11 PM
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vky wrote:
@BGL, just wondering out loud here what, are the odds that a person who suffered an autoimmune disease say myasthenia gravis and fully recovered, develop some form of immunity against hiv. it doesn't have to be the quoted disease but any autoimmune disease where 100% remission was reported


@vky
I like this kind of questions......

The population of Caucasians that are resistant to R5 tropic HIV survived a plaque which wiped a huge population in that part of the world. The consequence of the survivors was deletion of the gene that is responsible for the expression of the receptor that HIV uses to enter the cell.

SO IT IS POSSIBLE but not absolute.

The basics of MG:
Myasthenia gravis (MG) is an autoimmune neuromuscular disease leading to fluctuating muscle weakness and fatigability. It is an autoimmune disorder, in which weakness is caused by circulating antibodies that block acetylcholine receptors at the postsynaptic neuromuscular junction.

Open questions:
What is an immune disorder? see the description of MG
Is HIV an autoimmune disorder? NO
What is the target cells for HIV? Immune cells that express CD4 receptor and a coreceptor (CCR5 or CXCR4) or both.
What is the target cell for anti-MG antibodies? Nerve cells expressing acetylcholine receptors.

My own personal views restricted to MG and HIV
MG and HIV do not share the same target cells nor do they enter the cells using similar receptor
MG is an autoimmune (self attacking self) while HIV causes Immune deficiency (lack of immunity).


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AlphDoti
#23 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:28:09 AM
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First, let's pray for those affected or infected.

Now, pandemic disease was created in laboratory. Don't you believe this lie about "green-monkeys".

AIDs is genetically designed disease. No doubt about that. And that's why the body system do not have antibodies to fight against it because it can't identify it.

There's evidence of where the disease was put together and under whose supervision. Shame on those people (you know who it is right? Uncle SAM)

But they did it under something called "population 2000". They said that the greatest danger to humanity, the Western civilization in the world today was population. Overpopulation in the world.

They targeted India, Africa, South America and other places in the world to de-populate by any means necessary.

One of the Uncle SAM president wrote his signature on a bill, and AIDs was one of the things that they used to parpetrate their missions.

And since AIDs was launched over 3 million people have died.
AlphDoti
#24 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:29:54 AM
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QD
#25 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:10:09 AM
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My own personal views restricted to MG and HIV
MG and HIV do not share the same target cells nor do they enter the cells using similar receptor
MG is an autoimmune (self attacking self) while HIV causes Immune deficiency (lack of immunity).


@BGL having read the above quote from you, note i have no medicene back ground but a pragmatist.

What are the immune busters that exist naturally/generic that can by a small margine reverse the lack of immunity caused by HIV?

The peddled lie is that AIDS was picked from the chimps in Congo basin, do the chimps suffer from this virus or else what in their cells guard against HIV?.
If the above two by any minimal percentage do exist,can the medicine world work around this?

Remember a case in France sometimes last year where a vaccine ministered to babies lead to death coz one of the components was defective? yet after three days they were able to work in reverse i.e eliminate all the components that were added and finally hit the killer component.

If Uncle Sam did it as AlphaDoti purports can it be reversed with all the currently knowledge about the epidemic.
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BGL
#26 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:23:27 PM
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Immune boosters globally stimulate and enhance immune system. The next question should be, what is an immune system? (ask google for detailed and simplified info).So the BIG question is what cells of immune system does HIV target?
HIV targets T lymphocytes, Macrophages and Dendritic cells. T lymphocytes are the most educated type and exist in different classes. Expression of CD4 and coreceptor is dependent on activation status of these cells and this is where it becomes complex. HIV attacks vigorously the activated T lymphocytes so any immune booster against HIV is a fallacy..... see below for the connection/link between immune activation and AIDS.

Differences between Human (HIV) and non Human (SIV) infections
Humans are infected with HIV-1 and HIV-2 while non Human primates are infected by simian immunodeficieny virus (SIV). As virologists, we know that HIV virus has a tendency to constantly activate the immune system (similar to immune boosting) for selfish needs. The consequence of constant immune activation is that HIV creates a pool of activated cells which it infects and kills. There is no Immune activation directed against SIV which explains why this animals despite of having HIV and high viral loads never proceed to AIDS.
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tycho
#27 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:37:37 PM
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The question of the origin of the HIV, and the suspicion that some people are behind its spread is indicative of an oppressive psychology amongst the nations.

For example, the rationale given for the actions of the virus creators, is the problem of population growth. There seems to be a fear that we are running short of resources, and that humanity is engaged in a zero sum game.

I can imagine one also saying that the virus works for the benefit of some governments and their agencies. But then these reasons go to the same oppressive psychology.

Perhaps ideas of what government does in the nation state are to blame. Especially the idea that governments have control of their nations economies.

Or that there are precise ways of measuring economic activity.

If this is the psychology behind the virus, then we have lots of hope. For if the psychology is faulty, then its models are faulty.

What is the proper psychology? The universe/multiverse 'expands' with increases in complexity of life forms to accommodate 'mutualist' relationships. And destroying other life forms only brings self extinction.

For example, it is this world of biological warfare that explains human progress in terms of animal extinction.

How can this proper psychology help us?

1. If a cure exists, then it will be brought out.

2. Governments, corporations, and people will change their behaviors and relationships.

3. If the virus wasn't created in the lab, then I believe we have a model for research that may bring us closer to a 'cure'.

For example, we could create antiviral molecules whose internal conditions are set to to deactivate the provirus, and to establish a mutualist relationship with the host.

Interestingly, behavior change at all levels, seems to be the way forward in our fight against AIDS.

And we can only have behavior change when we establish a new world order.






Nabwire
#28 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:33:08 AM
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Not entirely related to this post, but I just had to post this. Wow, Israel, just wow!!At this rate, I will think twice before going to see any doctor. Hitler would be proud!

http://www.huffingtonpos...n_2567016.html#comments

kiterunner
#29 Posted : Monday, May 06, 2013 1:02:58 PM
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A Kenyan pharmacist has cured HIV using methotrexate by using a cancer drug that kills the special cells that habour the HIV virus. The work has not been published and i hope it ll be published soon. I wonder if Dr Barasa is our BGL

http://www.nation.co.ke/...1/-/wr8ii7z/-/index.html
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