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EA Cables - 1H 2012 Results
mwekez@ji
#21 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:47:20 AM
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dunkang wrote:
12.50/- maybe 13/- can be touched before January. JUST A MAYBE!


inshallah; good performance + interim dividend + final dividend = smile
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#22 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:50:52 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
dunkang wrote:
12.50/- maybe 13/- can be touched before January. JUST A MAYBE!


inshallah; good performance + interim dividend + final dividend = smile

For those riding for cum div the date to remember is 27-December-2012 then it goes exdiv after.
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#23 Posted : Friday, December 07, 2012 11:29:43 AM
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hisah wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
dunkang wrote:
12.50/- maybe 13/- can be touched before January. JUST A MAYBE!


inshallah; good performance + interim dividend + final dividend = smile

For those riding for cum div the date to remember is 27-December-2012 then it goes exdiv after.


I think the rise has also been because of the KES37.5B world bank loan to fund the Ethiopia-Kenya power transmission project by KETRACO.

KES37.5B is a very tidy sum if you take atleast 33p.c will be used to buy cables and assuming 10p.c profits for the supplied cables.

The question is who will win the supply contract.

http://the-star.co.ke/ne...r-line-gets-sh37bn-loan

By the way, who supplies the fiber optic cables to kenyan ISP?
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jerry
#24 Posted : Friday, December 07, 2012 12:09:29 PM
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I'll buy after 27th as I believe if there's ao interim there will be a final dividend.
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dunkang
#25 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 2:10:42 PM
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I bumped into some historical data starting from 2008FY to 2012HY, and decided to estimate 2012FY results;

Turnover, Millions KES
------------ Half Year ------- Full Year
- 2008 ---- missing ---------- 2,812
- 2009 ---- missing ---------- 3,929
- 2010 ---- missing ---------- 3,658
- 2011 ---- 2,351 ------------- 4,971
- 2012 ---- 2,253 -- estimate 4,650

Operating Margin, percent
------------ Half Year ------- Full Year
- 2008 ---- missing ---------- 27.6
- 2009 ---- missing ---------- 13.9
- 2010 ---- missing ---------- 13.6
- 2011 ---- 13.5 -------------- missing
- 2012 ---- 18.3 ---estimate 15.0

Net Finance Cost, Millions KES
------------ Half Year ------- Full Year
- 2008 ---- missing ---------- (107)
- 2009 ---- missing ---------- (19)
- 2010 ---- missing ---------- (21)+(193 bad)
- 2011 ---- (68) -------------- missing
- 2012 ---- (19) ----estimate (50)

Taxation, percent
------------ Half Year ------- Full Year
- 2008 ---- missing ---------- (30.9)
- 2009 ---- missing ---------- (43.7)
- 2010 ---- missing ---------- (54.5)
- 2011 ---- (30.8) ------------ (31.9)
- 2012 ---- (30.2) ---estimate (31)

Profit After Tax, Millions KES
------------ Half Year ------- Full Year
- 2008 ---- missing ---------- 463
- 2009 ---- missing ---------- 296
- 2010 ---- missing ---------- 183
- 2011 ---- 172 --------------- 314
- 2012 ---- 274 ----estimate 446

I may be wrong but that shows that PAT will be up 42 percent.
Also final dividend may be 0.7/-.
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ChessMaster
#26 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 2:34:43 PM
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Their net profit margin for 2012 is lower than for 2008. The revenue for 2012 is 1.65 that of 2008 yet net profit estimates are lower than 2008.
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dunkang
#27 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 2:57:49 PM
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Between 2008-2012, production cost has sky rocketed (check copper and aluminium prices at LME, fuel, labour, forex etc). This may have caused the profit margin to be squeezed even if turnover has gone up.

According to Table 9 page 6 of the report in this link,
http://www.transcentury....e_Genghis%20Capital.pdf
they actually estimate that the operating margin will be 20 percent (hence 800M PAT), which to me is too ambitious.
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ChessMaster
#28 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 3:18:12 PM
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I can see the logic they have in the future revenue estimates and even cost of sales decreasing but I'm skeptical. I don't trust future estimates but then again they have better or more information to support their position. If you can also check how they handled their inventories 2008 - 2010
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the deal
#29 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 5:08:07 PM
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Now that Transcentury is at the NSE...I think TCL should buy out minority shareholders in Cables and have the company delisted...they can do a share swap...ala the I&M Bank and City Trust style. The listing of TCL could affect Cables because I dont see why I should buy shares in EA Cables when TCL owns around 63% of the Company...to kill two birds with one stone i just buy TCL
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#30 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 5:16:07 PM
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Share swap could be expensive.They'll acquire more assets and end up diluting the company shares.Or I'm looking at it wrong.
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the deal
#31 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 5:21:35 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Share swap could be expensive.They'll acquire more assets and end up diluting the company shares.Or I'm looking at it wrong.

Nope...the assets acquired produce profits...so any dilution in terms of EPS should be offset by profits from this new assets acquired...dilution impact minimal.
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#32 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 5:26:59 PM
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Not in terms of eps and dps. If they share swap,for me meaning they buy out the investors by offering them shares at TCL, they will have acquired Cables but diluted the shareholding for TCL shareholders. You get more money but you bring in more people to share it.
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dunkang
#33 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 5:27:27 PM
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the deal wrote:
Now that Transcentury is at the NSE...I think TCL should buy out minority shareholders in Cables and have the company delisted...they can do a share swap...ala the I&M Bank and City Trust style. The listing of TCL could affect Cables because I dont see why I should buy shares in EA Cables when TCL owns around 63% of the Company...to kill two birds with one stone i just buy TCL

@deal, i view it the other way. Tranny relies heavily on E.A Cables, so, by buying cable you are at the same level with Tranny in owning cables, instead of been a second level owner.
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the deal
#34 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 5:36:05 PM
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dunkang wrote:
the deal wrote:
Now that Transcentury is at the NSE...I think TCL should buy out minority shareholders in Cables and have the company delisted...they can do a share swap...ala the I&M Bank and City Trust style. The listing of TCL could affect Cables because I dont see why I should buy shares in EA Cables when TCL owns around 63% of the Company...to kill two birds with one stone i just buy TCL

@deal, i view it the other way. Tranny relies heavily on E.A Cables, so, by buying cable you are at the same level with Tranny in owning cables, instead of been a second level owner.
Am i communicating?

In the past yes...but check FY 2011...FY 2012...you will see TCL is relying less and less on Cables....Civicon is the new star in the crown. If buy TCL I have ownership in Cables...Civicon...etc.
guru267
#35 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:02:59 AM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Not in terms of eps and dps. If they share swap,for me meaning they buy out the investors by offering them shares at TCL, they will have acquired Cables but diluted the shareholding for TCL shareholders. You get more money but you bring in more people to share it.


@Chessmaster theoretically DPS & EPS should remain constant in the event of a share swap!

The initial dilution in EPS of TCL would be offset by the increased earnings that will come from owning a larger share of cables!!
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ChessMaster
#36 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:35:12 AM
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guru267 wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
Not in terms of eps and dps. If they share swap,for me meaning they buy out the investors by offering them shares at TCL, they will have acquired Cables but diluted the shareholding for TCL shareholders. You get more money but you bring in more people to share it.


@Chessmaster theoretically DPS & EPS should remain constant in the event of a share swap!

The initial dilution in EPS of TCL would be offset by the increased earnings that will come from owning a larger share of cables!!

I agree,technically things remain the same.But the new shareholders who would be coming in through cables will also share the profits of the other holding of TCL where they were only exposed to cables. For an already existing shareholder,that is a form of dilution.
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mwekez@ji
#37 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:41:10 PM
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like @Aguy, i dont like TCL. Its an overvalued counter with complex books of accounts. That leaves TCL as a Technical Analsis play. I however like E.A.Cables and Civicon. Too bad Civicon aint listed directly in NSE
Aguytrying
#38 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:13:08 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
like @Aguy, i dont like TCL. Its an overvalued counter with complex books of accounts. That leaves TCL as a Technical Analsis play. I however like E.A.Cables and Civicon. Too bad Civicon aint listed directly in NSE


Yeah. I fear such companies. Over valued, complex account, convertible debts, mergers and acquisitions all the signs are there. Centum is also joining this group and has the addition of no dividends.
I dont have concrete info on these companies but i dont trust them, period
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ChessMaster
#39 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 11:56:32 AM
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Will it bump this week?
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ChessMaster
#40 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 2:42:34 PM
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Pump:)
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