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TUNAOMBA SERIKALI IINGILIE KATI.
josiah33
#1 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 3:44:25 PM
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I've always wondered where that phrase came from or why more middle class people are saying this. But i've got the answer-
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The clash of the middle classes is the result of two global trends. One is that in poor countries, the middle class is rapidly expanding. At the same time, in rich countries, the middle class is shrinking, feeling embattled, insecure, and incapable of keeping and defending the standards of living that have characterized a middle-class lifestyle for centuries. That explains, in part, the street demonstrations and riots that we have seen in countries ranging from England to Spain, even Israel, in which people take to the streets fighting and protesting against a variety of issues: inequality, the cost of housing, insecurity, public rage against governments, and all that.

Ironically and paradoxically, in the same way that the decline of the middle class is creating political tensions and frictions in rich countries, the expansion of the middle class in poor countries is also a source of political conflict. That may be paradoxical, but the reality is that these middle classes created expansion and rapid progress, which lead to expectations that very few governments can fulfill at the speed at which they are created. So demands for public services(TUNAOMBA SERIKALI IINGILIE KATI) are soaring, and the capacity of the government to respond to these demands is expanding, too, but at a slower rate.
tycho
#2 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 3:50:38 PM
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@Josiah, do you have any examples to show that government capacities are expanding?

And how can government capacities be made to expand at a tolerable rate? How can this rate be determined?
josiah33
#3 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 3:57:49 PM
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tycho wrote:
@Josiah, do you have any examples to show that government capacities are expanding?

And how can government capacities be made to expand at a tolerable rate? How can this rate be determined?

Actually i was quoting someone but in our kenyan context, the capacity of the Government to respond to the demands of the people is almost NIL and that's why more and more people are becoming frustrated. Isn't that why we want an MBA guy for Governor, so he could deliver?
tycho
#4 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 4:37:29 PM
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josiah33 wrote:
tycho wrote:
@Josiah, do you have any examples to show that government capacities are expanding?

And how can government capacities be made to expand at a tolerable rate? How can this rate be determined?

Actually i was quoting someone but in our kenyan content, the capacity of the Government to respond to the demands of the people is almost NIL and that's why more and more people are becoming frustrated. Isn't that why we want an MBA guy for Governor, so he could deliver?


I can find three ideas here:

1. The nation state is mostly responsible for the economy.

2. Bodies politic are being run ineffectively.

3. Running the political entity like a business is the way to go.

Of these, I think only the second is true. All the others are false.

The first isn't true due to globalization, and spread of the internet.

The third is false because these businesses have only thrived when the body politic thrived.

But then, can we live without a body politic?

josiah33
#5 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 5:47:01 PM
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tycho wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
tycho wrote:
@Josiah, do you have any examples to show that government capacities are expanding?

And how can government capacities be made to expand at a tolerable rate? How can this rate be determined?

Actually i was quoting someone but in our kenyan content, the capacity of the Government to respond to the demands of the people is almost NIL and that's why more and more people are becoming frustrated. Isn't that why we want an MBA guy for Governor, so he could deliver?


I can find three ideas here:

1. The nation state is mostly responsible for the economy.

2. Bodies politic are being run ineffectively.

3. Running the political entity like a business is the way to go.

Of these, I think only the second is true. All the others are false.

The first isn't true due to globalization, and spread of the internet.

The third is false because these businesses have only thrived when the body politic thrived.

But then, can we live without a body politic?


We are talking middle class here- they believe their economic situation is influenced by some external factors eg. the government and as such they think the government should be run by the managerial type so as to keep things a little constant and for stability.
wanyee
#6 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 6:12:05 PM
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perculiar kenyan habits
tycho
#7 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 6:48:41 PM
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Yes. We are talking about the middle class.

Aren't they justified to call for intervention since they are 'beacons' of government- that is, the center piece of modern government?

Middle class is a government's promise. And if government is unresponsive, then middle class vanishes.

That is, the middle class is a fictitious idea.
josiah33
#8 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 7:32:53 PM
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tycho wrote:
Yes. We are talking about the middle class.

Aren't they justified to call for intervention since they are 'beacons' of government- that is, the center piece of modern government?

Middle class is a government's promise. And if government is unresponsive, then middle class vanishes.

That is, the middle class is a fictitious idea.

I guess they are justified. With the burdens of inflation, regulation and taxes, as well as the ineffectiveness of the Government and maybe the apathy of our MP's being threats to the middle class, they have to be worried. It might just be destroyed and that's why they are crying out.
tycho
#9 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 8:19:40 PM
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The middle class is crying about lost comforts, the ruling elite for loss of control, and the underclass, for promises it may never see fulfilled.

In short, there's no one to cry to. Maybe God.
josiah33
#10 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 8:46:32 PM
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tycho wrote:
The middle class is crying about lost comforts, the ruling elite for loss of control, and the underclass, for promises it may never see fulfilled.

In short, there's no one to cry to. Maybe God.

Hehehehe! Naomba Mungu aingilie kati.
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