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Do some petrol companies con us?
bird_man
#1 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:39:04 AM
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I have been fueling worth 2K at Shell petrol stations when my fuel light comes on.The fuel gauge needle usually gets to below half tank.

Now,when I fuel at Kenol Kobil worth 2K the needle goes above the half tank mark.In fact I have been able to run around for 32Kms before the needle gets to where the Shell fuel would have reached.

Is it that Shell pumps less fuel into the car or does the needle behave differently due to difference in fuel density etc?
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seppuku
#2 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:23:46 PM
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Hmm, very strange. Is this a pattern or something you observed once? I fuel at Shell nearly all the time and they have never given me a reason to think they are cutting corners. I always fill up my tank though - mostly because it makes it easy to monitor my fuel economy.
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bird_man
#3 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:32:58 PM
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@seppuku ....severally.I'm not sure whats the reason though.
Try another company & let us know.
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rock
#4 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:34:25 PM
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Noticed the same discrepancy at shell adams. We should name and shame them.
seppuku
#5 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:36:40 PM
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bird_man wrote:
@seppuku ....severally.I'm not sure whats the reason though.
Try another company & let us know.


On a few occasions I have and the needle always goes up to the same point - just above the Full mark.
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seppuku
#6 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:40:28 PM
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One feasible way to con you like that is to doctor the pump so that it serves up less volume that it displays. You can detect that by asking them to fill up a fixed volume container. Unless of course they have a secret switch they flip when such requests are made in order to "reset" the pump.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:38:05 PM
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If you really, truly want to help, don't just complain about it the media. Write to ERC [info@erc.go.ke] and give details of your suspicions. They are usually very quick to catch the crooks in the industry.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:25:23 PM
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seppuku wrote:
Hmm, very strange. Is this a pattern or something you observed once? I fuel at Shell nearly all the time and they have never given me a reason to think they are cutting corners. I always fill up my tank though - mostly because it makes it easy to monitor my fuel economy.


For comparison you need to fuel elsewhere i guess..
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#9 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:04:21 PM
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.......... or employ those funny crooked methods of guka and the goons of fueling in shilling on end of like 'put fuel ya 1,846 bob'. if the attendant looks at you badly, then the station has something down their sleeve.
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#10 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 3:59:35 PM
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well the only trully method to meusure is to use a fixed volume container because u cannot truly tell your tank balance by simply looking at the time the light comes on.To understand this i normaly fuel full tank and can drive 100km before the needles moves even 1/10 of a mm.
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#11 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 7:03:28 PM
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bird_man wrote:
I have been fueling worth 2K at Shell petrol stations when my fuel light comes on.The fuel gauge needle usually gets to below half tank.

Now,when I fuel at Kenol Kobil worth 2K the needle goes above the half tank mark.In fact I have been able to run around for 32Kms before the needle gets to where the Shell fuel would have reached.

Is it that Shell pumps less fuel into the car or does the needle behave differently due to difference in fuel density etc?



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dnn
#12 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 7:05:35 PM
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bird_man wrote:
I have been fueling worth 2K at Shell petrol stations when my fuel light comes on.The fuel gauge needle usually gets to below half tank.

Now,when I fuel at Kenol Kobil worth 2K the needle goes above the half tank mark.In fact I have been able to run around for 32Kms before the needle gets to where the Shell fuel would have reached.

Is it that Shell pumps less fuel into the car or does the needle behave differently due to difference in fuel density etc?



Has been observed- usually avoid these stations after these posts

http://www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=19256&p=2
Behemoth
#13 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 8:06:22 PM
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seppuku wrote:
Hmm, very strange. Is this a pattern or something you observed once? I fuel at Shell nearly all the time and they have never given me a reason to think they are cutting corners. I always fill up my tank though - mostly because it makes it easy to monitor my fuel economy.


You are not being economical. Filling your tank to monitor the fuel economy? What you are doing is burning more fuel...
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Mukiri
#14 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 9:40:00 PM
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I've heard that the time one fuels up matters. Fueling in the morning (coldest time) is best than when temperatures are high. Something about expansion.

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bird_man
#15 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 10:21:35 PM
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Wazuans....haha.
Fuel expansion cannot cause a difference of an extra 32Km.Pia hio mambo ya kubeba/measure with a jerrican to prove that they are robbing me...forget.
I moved to Kenol Kobil which is right next to the thieving Shell.
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jaggernaut
#16 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 11:55:35 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
I've heard that the time one fuels up matters. Fueling in the morning (coldest time) is best than when temperatures are high. Something about expansion.


But those fuel tanks are buried deep in the ground. Are there really any differences in temp (and density/volume) kwa underground tank at different times of the day when you are fueling? Research says that the soil temp remains constant 30cm below the surface.
Mukiri
#17 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 1:04:40 AM
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I'm no expert, like I said I've just repeated what I've heard. Google might assist.

But I'm curious what is the consumption per km of this car that has been purportedly robbed of 32km worth of fuel? I'd like to do some calculations just to see if its not some competitor out to discredit a company/petrol station

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bird_man
#18 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:39:55 PM
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@Mukiri....how would I know the correct consumption of the 1,500cc car if its tank has always been pumped with a fake No. of Ltrs?

I am not a competitor & if I was one I'd have ensured the word "Shell" appears in my thread title.I was actually suprised the same issue was discussed on Wazua last year by several other people
http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...sts&t=19256&p=2


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jaggernaut
#19 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 4:00:21 PM
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seppuku
#20 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:47:27 PM
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Behemoth wrote:
seppuku wrote:
Hmm, very strange. Is this a pattern or something you observed once? I fuel at Shell nearly all the time and they have never given me a reason to think they are cutting corners. I always fill up my tank though - mostly because it makes it easy to monitor my fuel economy.


You are not being economical. Filling your tank to monitor the fuel economy? What you are doing is burning more fuel...


How is that? Do you mean to talk about increased mass? A tank full of petrol raises my car's overall mass by less than 3%, how much difference do you reckon that makes to fuel economy? What do you have to say about vaporization losses that occur to a greater extent in mostly empty tanks? My opinion is that such factors have such a small impact on fuel economy that they're not worth obsessing about. Some people won't even give their neighbor a lift because they think it will hurt their fuel economy! And by the way the reason I monitor my fuel consumption so closely is just so I make sure I can explain it. If I drive aggressively, which I do sometimes, I expect to burn more gas. If I am easy on the accelerator, which I often am, I expect to burn less. If that is not happening then I investigate. This knowledge is more important to me than the money I might save and the time I might waste by fueling up a quarter tank every time.

PS: Fuel economy for me is not the be all and end all of driving, I care for the fun too and I appreciate that it comes at the expense of spending more on petrol. But so what? It's the same with the rest of life - win some lose some.
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