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Is Africa science-deficient?
McReggae
#11 Posted : Friday, September 04, 2009 12:16:00 PM
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Prof. Obel,pearl omega!!!!!

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VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Friday, September 04, 2009 12:23:00 PM
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@mc reggae: Please do NOT embarrass us... LOL...

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Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
McReggae
#13 Posted : Friday, September 04, 2009 12:25:00 PM
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VVS,I hear even wazungus come for that drug in droves.....lol!!!!

The chief value of money lies in the fact that one lives in a world in which it is overestimated.
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
drzhivago
#14 Posted : Friday, September 04, 2009 12:49:00 PM
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@vituvingisana...ur thread was on why there were no africans on the nobel lists,not whether they were resident in africa. n'way,as someone said,if we do not invest in science,we will not be anywhere near that list anytime soon.the countries you mentioned have all invested heavily in both scientific human capacity building and infrastructure.now,just because we have not invested in science does not mean we cant (or dont) conduct cutting edge). that is why most 'serious' african scientists (and generally those from other developing countries) who get oportunities to work abroad do so. its not only for the money - though better pay doesnt hurt either :). the bureaucracy and politics in our universities and reseach institutions is just too stiffling,needless to say. i reiterate that nowadays,most ground breaking science is colloborative - with a whole heirarchy of post graduate students,junior,middle level and senior scientist working together but the prize can only go to one person

Better to be at the cause of your experience rather than at the end of it. In all situations,be cause ...
Jay R
#15 Posted : Friday, September 04, 2009 7:02:00 PM
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My take is that,the African race has a problem. Go back through history and you find nothing in all fields.Scientific,economical,political even arts,we got nothing. I tend to wonder what Africans were doing 800 years ago.We don't have our own written history,we didn't have our own architecture,no musical instruments,we didn't explore the world,our weapons were simply crude,there were no paintings,there were no great compositions,no games. The lack of funding today,the lack of good governance today,the lack of vision today,all the madness and suffering of today stems from that problem.I have no name for the problem,but it surely torments us.

When i see my purple,you see it not.
when i see my purple, you see it not!
kenyanbeef
#16 Posted : Monday, September 28, 2009 9:44:00 AM
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http://www.stormfront.or...showthread.php?t=626088

A thought from a 'racist'.... I would like to hear from those in the diaspora...man!! Just how do u get thru such? Man,just how did Obama pull it off? I give it to that guy....
Djinn
#17 Posted : Monday, September 28, 2009 10:22:00 AM
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@Jay R - our environmental circumstances have been different. We have had no need to conquer lands to grow food (since we have no winter or 365 days of relatively good weather). We were not freezing our nuts off figuring out ways to warm our houses during winter (and while at it,composing music). We can farm anytime as long as there is rainfall - in Europe they suffer about 3 months downtime (in which time they cannot even bury their dead since the earth is frozen solid). So I thibnk some environmental issues prompted these discoveries. Weapons: to conquer lands to increase their agricultural and raw material base,etc etc. I think if the world was tipped over 45 degrees,sending Europe into the tropics,we'd be talking a different story. Most of these advances have been driven by very adverse weather.

The problem with equality is that we desire that it be with those that have more than us rather that those that have less
Djinn
#18 Posted : Monday, September 28, 2009 10:29:00 AM
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@kenyanbeef - that link - sorry,we cannot stoop that low to counter that content. The bar is so low already....I'd advise you to remove that post and link. Helps breed hate rather than constructive dialogue.

The problem with equality is that we desire that it be with those that have more than us rather that those that have less
kenyanbeef
#19 Posted : Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20:00 AM
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@Djinn,bury your head in the sand? Look on the bright side..they are complaining about interracial marriages....whites who dont see blacks the same way in increasing numbers.... But you know what...tribalism in Kenya is worse...fatal.
Mwekahazina
#20 Posted : Monday, September 28, 2009 3:09:00 PM
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Warning you may need an open mind to read this post. If it doesn't ring true,leave it,if it does research it.

Thoth was an African scribe,depicted in Egyptian hieroglyphs and very briefly mentioned in the Bible Ezekiel Ch. 9. The Emerald Tablets,a 13,000 year old text,mentions Thoth as the builder of the Pyramids. The 12 Pyramids of Thoth - Crystalinks There was a purpose to the setting up of the pyramids,in alignment with your chakra system. Further,work includes the network of the 'Tree of Life' over much of Africa,including Timbuktu,Giza,Khartoum,Great Zimbabwe and others. Tree of Life on Map of Africa You might need to read... Domain of Man and Enki Speaks and make up your own mind.

The second African scientist I admire,is Imhotep. Imhotep,described as the first mason,was the first person to write a medical treatise in a scientific manner - Disease,Sypmtom,Management,Cure. Check YouTube.

The question is unfortunately skewed towards race. There have been many scientists,but as Xtina notes,many,even today,have seen the glory of their work taken.

Vituvingi,its interesting you mention Einstein,Tesla,Bose... and Tagore. Why did Einstein and Tesla seek to meet Bose and Tagore? One clue,is that they ventured out of their formal education system. So,its never mentioned that Einstein used Plato's Dodecahedron (platonic solids - not platonic relationship:)) in deriving his theories. Its never mentioned that Newton spent years studying the Cabbalist texts and the foundations of the Temple of Solomon in the belief that he would understand Universal laws. You know the result. So,our scientists must be ready to take the road less travelled.

Our Education system is designed to make us workers in the 'system'. You,as a Parent,have the sole responsibility to add to this.

A prime example of how our education system is designed,is when you take how in Mathematics,Finance,Theology and Physics,the study of the Phi-ratio is glossed over Phi 1.618. The 'phinest' source to the golden section,golden mean,divine proportion,Fibonacci series and phi,1.618. Explor Solomon's temple,many Cathedrals in Europe and a few in Nairobi and,the Flower of Life symbol are derived from the Phi ratio. You'll never find this reference in a Theology book. In Finance,Elliot's work in the 30s has lead to Fibonacci retracements being used by traders. In Maths,our kids are never taught the platonic solids,yet the foundations are laid at kindergarten level in some places. The DNA helix is now out-dated,as it mostly ascribes to one of the platonic solids. Which one? Find out? Your a scientist?

In down to earth terms,this knowledge is sometimes passed down from Father to Son. So a carpenter,may tell his son that if he builds a table using the Phi ratio,the table looks more appealing (check YouTube for a video - lost the link). Or the mechanic who's learnt to listen to an engine with his 'heart'. Like,the African/Indian herbalist passing down knowledge...

However,I find the question biased to race,as the same questions are also asked by people in other cultures. African Scientists must be ready to step outside the fold,like Leonardo DaVinci's work with Phi and the Human physical and etheric body. Like Coppernicus... Like Archimedes... Like Prof. John Nash (Theory of 'Ideal Money' & The movie - A Beautiful Mind).... Like Marko Rodin,with his vortex based mathematics (puts things in perspective really)...'Mathematics is the language of God'.

So when your kid asks you to help with Geometry you now have a resource. Ask yourself,is it better your kids remember stuff or know stuff?

NB: Some of the ancient texts,like the Kybalion,Emerald Tablet,Book of Enoch are out of print and are only now becoming available,on the net. Remember,the Library of Alexandria,in Egypt... Some,like the Gospel of St. Thomas are on the net.

NAMASTE!!!


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