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wilyum
#1 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2013 3:46:07 PM
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c&p
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The Rwandan government has ambitious goals, as part of its Vision 2020 plan, to bring financial services to the majority of the population. MobiCash is supporting Rwanda in its mission and will help deliver programs and technologies that extend access to financial services for people throughout the country.
Since 1995 Rwandan Government has taken steps to deepen and liberalize the financial sector. Efforts are underway to improve the links between the financial system and the masses. Restructuring plans have been agreed between the BNR and the commercial banks. A legal framework for micro finance institutions has been considered and are to be restructured so as to enhance their role in providing services to rural areas and in encouraging savings mobilization.

Commercial banks are being encouraged to concentrate more on financing private sector activities in particular productive sectors including small scale projects. Government is also considering directing credit to particular sectors for instance agriculture which currently only receives 2% of bank credit.

The launch of the BioCash initiative is part of national efforts to ensure the Government achieved "an optimal balance between the banked and the unbanked. The system will lay a basis for KCB Bank to jointly deal a massive and decisive blow against the financial inclusion and poverty alleviation.

The excitement on this new delivery channel is due to the promise to bring about a breakthrough of major importance into the mobile payment ecosystem. BioCash offers the possibility of massive outreach to people in locations that remain underserved, especially those in hard-to-reach rural areas. Some channels, including retail agents such as supermarkets, churches or drug stores that act as banking agents, may bring the industry closer to significantly serving more Rwandan with or without a mobile phone.

This is the beginning of a fundamental change in the monetary system in Rwanda. The implementation of fingerprint-banking means that every Rwandan who is over 16 years old and has a national-ID could virtually and instantly be included in the financial space and connect fingerprint to a virtual bank account.

But how does fingerprint-banking work exactly?

§ All monetary transactions can be done exclusively with the account owner’s fingerprint without the need of cash or any card

§ The fingerprint reader recognizes the identity of a person and connects it to the according bank account

§ All shops will be provided with fingerprint readers. This assures the easy usage of fingerprint-banking. At shopping, you only need to leave your fingerprint to pay, without entering a code or giving a signature. That’s easy and fast.

This method allows a safer, easier, faster and more efficient paying process. MobiCash expects the rate of robberies to decline drastically since people don’t carry any more cash or credit cards with them. Also, it is much easier for the consumers: they don’t have to worry about having cash with them or remembering their debit card code. Especially for shops it is very efficient. They save a lot of time on the cash desk when they don’t have to handle with cash or debit card readers which take a long time to complete a paying process.

In our opinion, Rwanda will be definitely World first country using this system to bank all of its citizens without exception.
digitek1
#2 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2013 4:47:51 PM
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kenyans can can use mpesa in the comfort of their loo without hiyo maneno ya fingerprint. Si you heard those scanners can cause disease Laughing out loudly
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Caveman
#3 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2013 5:23:51 PM
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wilyum wrote:
c&p
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The Rwandan government has ambitious goals, as part of its Vision 2020 plan, to bring financial services to the majority of the population. MobiCash is supporting Rwanda in its mission and will help deliver programs and technologies that extend access to financial services for people throughout the country.
Since 1995 Rwandan Government has taken steps to deepen and liberalize the financial sector. Efforts are underway to improve the links between the financial system and the masses. Restructuring plans have been agreed between the BNR and the commercial banks. A legal framework for micro finance institutions has been considered and are to be restructured so as to enhance their role in providing services to rural areas and in encouraging savings mobilization.

Commercial banks are being encouraged to concentrate more on financing private sector activities in particular productive sectors including small scale projects. Government is also considering directing credit to particular sectors for instance agriculture which currently only receives 2% of bank credit.

The launch of the BioCash initiative is part of national efforts to ensure the Government achieved "an optimal balance between the banked and the unbanked. The system will lay a basis for KCB Bank to jointly deal a massive and decisive blow against the financial inclusion and poverty alleviation.

The excitement on this new delivery channel is due to the promise to bring about a breakthrough of major importance into the mobile payment ecosystem. BioCash offers the possibility of massive outreach to people in locations that remain underserved, especially those in hard-to-reach rural areas. Some channels, including retail agents such as supermarkets, churches or drug stores that act as banking agents, may bring the industry closer to significantly serving more Rwandan with or without a mobile phone.

This is the beginning of a fundamental change in the monetary system in Rwanda. The implementation of fingerprint-banking means that every Rwandan who is over 16 years old and has a national-ID could virtually and instantly be included in the financial space and connect fingerprint to a virtual bank account.

But how does fingerprint-banking work exactly?

§ All monetary transactions can be done exclusively with the account owner’s fingerprint without the need of cash or any card

§ The fingerprint reader recognizes the identity of a person and connects it to the according bank account

§ All shops will be provided with fingerprint readers. This assures the easy usage of fingerprint-banking. At shopping, you only need to leave your fingerprint to pay, without entering a code or giving a signature. That’s easy and fast.

This method allows a safer, easier, faster and more efficient paying process. MobiCash expects the rate of robberies to decline drastically since people don’t carry any more cash or credit cards with them. Also, it is much easier for the consumers: they don’t have to worry about having cash with them or remembering their debit card code. Especially for shops it is very efficient. They save a lot of time on the cash desk when they don’t have to handle with cash or debit card readers which take a long time to complete a paying process.

In our opinion, Rwanda will be definitely World first country using this system to bank all of its citizens without exception.

Please help me understand how they will become first world through this. Where is the money to bank coming from?
Cde Monomotapa
#4 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2013 6:49:58 PM
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Check this @technomagzw ~> Kenya Youth drive M-Shwari deals past Sh1bn mark in 1 month http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/15kkj7kz/-/index.html
sumuni
#5 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2013 6:58:48 PM
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I predict the only likely beneficiaries to this grand scheme will be the vendors of the fingerprint scanners. Caveman has asked a very pertinent question that Rwanda needs to answer before rolling it out. Talk of putting the cart before the horse.
It is a curious fact that of all the illusions that beset mankind, none is quite as curious as that tendency to suppose that we are mentally and morally superior to those who differ from us in opinion.
wazuaguest
#6 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2013 8:07:48 PM
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The economy needs to expand to support such a system, Kcb is a capitalist organization hence it will require revenues to pay back investment on buying the scanners(factor BVR kits cost Kenya around 9B) and the system which to ran, the shop vendors need a commission to accept to the system otherwise you can't work on enriching someone. so the customer has to pay a premium for this hence as @sumuni said it's a perfect case of putting the cart before the donkey. let them grow the economy first.
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wazuaguest
#7 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2013 8:09:19 PM
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The economy needs to expand to support such a system, Kcb is a capitalist organization hence it will require revenues to pay back investment on buying the scanners(factor BVR kits cost Kenya around 9B) and the system which to ran, the shop vendors need a commission to accept to the system otherwise you can't work on enriching someone. so the customer has to pay a premium for this hence as @sumuni said it's a perfect case of putting the cart before the donkey. let them grow the economy first.
Africa belongs to Africans.
maka
#8 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2013 8:25:00 PM
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Let me ask the same question someone asked the skeptics of mshwari in the markets section...you guyz think they din't do a careful,well thought study before thinking of rolling out this thing?btw this country is so well run just like a swiss made wrist watch or clock...i have lived there for a while and they are most certainly going the right direction.Wish them well with this venture...there many who thought mpesa wunt work it did,mshwari wunt work it has....
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Mukiri
#9 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2013 8:51:58 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
kenyans can can use mpesa in the comfort of their loo without hiyo maneno ya fingerprint. Si you heard those scanners can cause disease Laughing out loudly


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Eish!

I think its the same thing as mpesa, only that its packaged differently. Kenyans are an educated lot (or atleast a majority have gone to school), for Rwandans fingerprint is more susceptible to the masses.

Proverbs 19:21
Obi 1 Kanobi
#10 Posted : Monday, January 07, 2013 10:12:03 PM
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maka wrote:
Let me ask the same question someone asked the skeptics of mshwari in the markets section...you guyz think they din't do a careful,well thought study before thinking of rolling out this thing?btw this country is so well run just like a swiss made wrist watch or clock...i have lived there for a while and they are most certainly going the right direction.Wish them well with this venture...there many who thought mpesa wunt work it did,mshwari wunt work it has....


Lets wait for the bad debts to crystalise before we pop the champagne smile
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harrydre
#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:20:48 AM
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so if a parent want's the kids to go buy some groceries? impossible?

If you are unwell and urgently need some meds?

If your finger get hurt/cut and the reader can't read accurately?
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masukuma
#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 7:14:18 AM
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Bill Gates has some nice things to say about M-PESA....
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deadpoet
#13 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 7:31:30 AM
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Rwanda should implement some version of Square - instead of credit cards maybe debit or prepaid cards. That's something that can even work here!
NoobGamer
#14 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:38:00 PM
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jaco78
#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 10:33:46 PM
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I have read the Mshwari booklet available at Safaricom shops and believe me there is no risk of defaults in this because for every sum you "borrow" you must have the same amount frozen in your mshwari account plus the 7.5% facilitation fee. this means that if you borrow say Kshs. 1,000.00, you must have Kshs. 1,075.00 frozen in your Mshwari account which you cannot touch. where is the risk in that? Mshwari is more a savings than a loan product.
sumuni
#16 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 10:52:21 PM
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jaco78 wrote:
I have read the Mshwari booklet available at Safaricom shops and believe me there is no risk of defaults in this because for every sum you "borrow" you must have the same amount frozen in your mshwari account plus the 7.5% facilitation fee. this means that if you borrow say Kshs. 1,000.00, you must have Kshs. 1,075.00 frozen in your Mshwari account which you cannot touch. where is the risk in that? Mshwari is more a savings than a loan product.

And this is exactly what i don't understand about mshwari. Why should i borrow money I already have? and to add insult to injury, at such exorbitant rates? If one was to borrow like 2x or 3x the amount in your account, like they do in SACCOs, that would be understandable. But this?
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ChessMaster
#17 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:20:56 AM
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I never used to like safaricom but now I'm starting to warm up to them a bit. Like Bill Gates said safaricom is like Microsoft and also like Facebook. They both succeeded because they offered people platforms. M-Pesa is a platform for money transfer via mobile phones. To me it's one reason they are still successful. I'm not sure about M-Shwari but they are in the right direction. They have shown they can utilize the information they gather about users to make them money. Information!!!For those who have seen me talk about data scientists,that's what I mean.

Fingerprints won't easily work in Africa.We don't like touching things which are glowing red and especially touching things which other people are continually touching right in front of you.Hygiene.Things I'm keeping my eye on when it comes to Safaricom is the M-Pesa api and how it will be picked up by developers. Next is NFC technology where both orange and safaricom are already preparing for battle because that is a game changer especially to the retail sector.
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murchr
#18 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:48:55 AM
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sumuni wrote:
jaco78 wrote:
I have read the Mshwari booklet available at Safaricom shops and believe me there is no risk of defaults in this because for every sum you "borrow" you must have the same amount frozen in your mshwari account plus the 7.5% facilitation fee. this means that if you borrow say Kshs. 1,000.00, you must have Kshs. 1,075.00 frozen in your Mshwari account which you cannot touch. where is the risk in that? Mshwari is more a savings than a loan product.

And this is exactly what i don't understand about mshwari. Why should i borrow money I already have? and to add insult to injury, at such exorbitant rates? If one was to borrow like 2x or 3x the amount in your account, like they do in SACCOs, that would be understandable. But this?



M-shwari is not 4 u simple
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chris79
#19 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:34:17 AM
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jaco78 wrote:
I have read the Mshwari booklet available at Safaricom shops and believe me there is no risk of defaults in this because for every sum you "borrow" you must have the same amount frozen in your mshwari account plus the 7.5% facilitation fee. this means that if you borrow say Kshs. 1,000.00, you must have Kshs. 1,075.00 frozen in your Mshwari account which you cannot touch. where is the risk in that? Mshwari is more a savings than a loan product.

Not true. What you need to do is simply transfer any funds you have in your M-Shwari account to M-Pesa before you request for the loan. They cannot touch the money in your MPESA account to repay your loan...
nakujua
#20 Posted : Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:23:51 AM
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ChessMaster wrote:
I never used to like safaricom but now I'm starting to warm up to them a bit. Like Bill Gates said safaricom is like Microsoft and also like Facebook. They both succeeded because they offered people platforms. M-Pesa is a platform for money transfer via mobile phones. To me it's one reason they are still successful. I'm not sure about M-Shwari but they are in the right direction. They have shown they can utilize the information they gather about users to make them money. Information!!!For those who have seen me talk about data scientists,that's what I mean.

Fingerprints won't easily work in Africa.We don't like touching things which are glowing red and especially touching things which other people are continually touching right in front of you.Hygiene.Things I'm keeping my eye on when it comes to Safaricom is the M-Pesa api and how it will be picked up by developers. Next is NFC technology where both orange and safaricom are already preparing for battle because that is a game changer especially to the retail sector.


I thought the reason mpesa is successful is because of its agents distribution - system or platform wise, I find no big difference between what safaricom offers and what orange or airtel have.

on the mpesa api, I think the reason safcom have delayed or failed to release one is because they don't have an idea how it will or is supposed to work - mpesa is a sim card/sms based system and the only place the api can be pluged in is at the sim card level and I dont think they will want to install 3rd party apps on their sim cards. The best they can do is have a message format standard that defines how the notification sms are formated from that developers can work with that.
but I doubt they will be doing that, they already have the paybill thing which they are selling to all an sundry.

fingerprints are already being used by a number of guys, including the medical insurance verification thing and a good number of ngo's that are using the same to id dependants - if the biometric voter thing is a success this year then the uptake might increase
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