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Stocksmaster.............1st Quarter Strategy
itz
#41 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 3:42:12 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
Before I begin, I will appreciate a discussion on this post devoid of political zealotry/bigotry.

My target for the 1st half 2013 is a 35% return on investment.

The 1st quarter of 2013 will greatly be influenced by the March 2013 elections. Markets hate uncertainity especially when the choice of the next government may have radically different effects on the economy.

My strategy for the 1st quarter 2013 is therefore as follows:
Jan to Mid February - I intend to hold cash. The last quarter of 2012 was a period of cashing out of the market. I anticipate a 20 percent fall in the NSE 20 share index as we approach the elections (3300 -3400). The PEV of 2007 cannot be wished away and foreign investors will play it safe.

Mid Feb - End of quarter 1: This is the period to either raid the NSE for burgains or deposit the cash in a dollar denominated account.

A peaceful Cord win should take the index to the 4800 - 5000 levels by end of 1st Half 2013. This is at least a 40-50% capital gain btw Feb to End of June with the right timing of entry.

A peaceful Jubilee win will greatly benefit the dollar. A sitting president and his deputy appearing at the ICC should at least take the dollar to 125-135 against the local currency by end of April 2013. This is a 50% capital gain with the right timing and exit strategy. In such a scenario, it will be the exit strategy that will be of most importance lest your money is trapped locally and foreign exchange preservation by the CBK becomes necessary.

I will be updating this thread as the quarter progresses. Also check updates on my twitter (stocksmaster@stocksmaster79).

Happy hunting.





with this kind of predictions you might as well look into a crystal ball and have it decide for you your investments or do a coin toss.Both will probably do a better prediction than this guy.what a bunch of hogwash.The market will not do much in 2013 and it will close around the current levels or higher(might be a stock pickers market) not unless there is a global recession.The world is awash with liquidity and they will be parking it in emerging markets of which kenya should be a beneficiary.125-135 exchange rate...regardless of who wins it will never get there, i don't think it even breaches 95.Again if you asked a stone to give you a prediction it would probably be closer in numbers.


holycow
#42 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 4:12:39 PM
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itz wrote:

with this kind of predictions you might as well look into a crystal ball and have it decide for you your investments or do a coin toss.Both will probably do a better prediction than this guy.what a bunch of hogwash.The market will not do much in 2013 and it will close around the current levels or higher(might be a stock pickers market) not unless there is a global recession.The world is awash with liquidity and they will be parking it in emerging markets of which kenya should be a beneficiary.125-135 exchange rate...regardless of who wins it will never get there, i don't think it even breaches 95.Again if you asked a stone to give you a prediction it would probably be closer in numbers.



How about stating yours and i compare it to what stockmaster has stated instead of being critical of his.
cnn
#43 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 4:20:00 PM
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Bure kabisa this @itz...you dismiss somebody's view as hogwash and then you go ahead and make your own predictions on the same market and exchange rate,why should i not take yours as utter rubbish ,at least @stocksmaster has several times had the courage to post his thoughts and trades and we all know how that has gone.I remember nothing from you.Just post your ideas without dismissing others and we will see who is right in the fullness of time.I may not fully agree with his strategy above but i can not go terming it hogwash.
itz
#44 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 5:14:09 PM
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cnn wrote:
Bure kabisa this @itz...you dismiss somebody's view as hogwash and then you go ahead and make your own predictions on the same market and exchange rate,why should i not take yours as utter rubbish ,at least @stocksmaster has several times had the courage to post his thoughts and trades and we all know how that has gone.I remember nothing from you.Just post your ideas without dismissing others and we will see who is right in the fullness of time.I may not fully agree with his strategy above but i can not go terming it hogwash.


@cnn @holycow i have not made any numbers prediction.i just gave general trending direction with one or two conditions.pole if i hurt anyone's feelings
murchr
#45 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 5:30:13 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Ali Baba wrote:
GURU267:>>You are buying USD!! I can't believe it.If the US debt crisis is not resolved,you will still end the Zim way.Americans are buying GOLD.And land......


@Ali Baba lets me take you through economics 101..

Fiscal cliff = higher taxes & lower spending = austerity = lower deficit = stronger USD!

So if the fiscal cliff does materialize i laugh all the way to my $ account! smile

@guru you'll continue to have a REAL US economy in the tank & the US Fed busy de-basing the USD via QE Infinite* = Stagflation i.e another 'lost decade' Zim. Zim itself mulls moving from abusing the USD to aid its Renaissance post-09 by embracing the Yuan alongside re-intro the de-commisioned ZWD!


@Cde just take a look at Japan as a case study!

Japan had had two lost decades of recession and stagnation yet the yen has been relatively stable, strong and relevant all through!

We cannot analyse developed countries the same way we do the developing third world! Read also the stronger Euro after austerity implementation and yet Europe is also expecting a lost decade!

Expert cheating death but business/trade exist in mkts not vacuums & if you no longer control that (hail China) then your ccy goes obsolete too. Japan's allies, the West, have caught up to each other & like it or not, they represent the old order. P.S: Japan has been selling more adult diapers than baby of late & is about to need external borrowing away from how they've been getting by via Yen borrowing now 2X a shrinking GDP. If one steps back & looks critically, these 'developed' economies are post-menopause.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Funny how u put it but its true... @Itz...I guess you have alot to learn about the Kenyan market, infact recessions/depressions, dont impact this market in a negative way. Lets watch how the cookie crumbles
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#46 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:19:14 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Interesting thread this. Cant wait to see how the NSE opens tomorrow. Will the Fund managers stay out or will they load in? Will the foreigners watch from the sidelines or will they participate?
We get the anwers to these and more tomorrow and the next 2 weeks.
See you tomorrow at the market placesmile

Hehe. Watu wakipatana debe, sisi tunapatana sokosmile

Habari ndio hiyo!
@SufficientlyP
guru267
#47 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 7:23:29 PM
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itz wrote:
The world is awash with liquidity and they will be parking it in emerging markets of which kenya should be a beneficiary.125-135 exchange rate...regardless of who wins it will never get there, i don't think it even breaches 95. Again if you asked a stone to give you a prediction it would probably be closer in numbers.


@itz are you for real?? Are you really this economically dumb?? Out of all the places an investor can park their money why would they do it it in a country where the sitting president and vice president are suspected war criminals??

Even without sanctions, the uncertainty around an uhuru ruto presidency can cause enough dollar outflows to send the shilling to 100+
But if there are sanctions we might be talking about 160-200 on the exchange rate!

@itz why should we dismiss @stocksmaster and believe your prediction because you sound like Robert Mugabe before he chased out the wazungu! Useless pride!!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
dunkang
#48 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 8:51:39 PM
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guru267 wrote:
@itz are you for real?? Are you really this economically dumb?? Out of all the places an investor can park their money why would they do it it in a country where the sitting president and vice president are suspected war criminals??

Even without sanctions, the uncertainty around an uhuru ruto presidency can cause enough dollar outflows to send the shilling to 100+
But if there are sanctions we might be talking about 160-200 on the exchange rate!

@itz why should we dismiss @stocksmaster and believe your prediction because you sound like Robert Mugabe before he chased out the wazungu! Useless pride!!


Propaganda machinery has now been unleashed. Distortion of facts at its best, just to suit someone's political inclination and paymaster.

LONG LIVE UNCLE BOB.
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

itz
#49 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:38:30 PM
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dunkang wrote:
guru267 wrote:
@itz are you for real?? Are you really this economically dumb?? Out of all the places an investor can park their money why would they do it it in a country where the sitting president and vice president are suspected war criminals??

Even without sanctions, the uncertainty around an uhuru ruto presidency can cause enough dollar outflows to send the shilling to 100+
But if there are sanctions we might be talking about 160-200 on the exchange rate!

@itz why should we dismiss @stocksmaster and believe your prediction because you sound like Robert Mugabe before he chased out the wazungu! Useless pride!!


Propaganda machinery has now been unleashed. Distortion of facts at its best, just to suit someone's political inclination and paymaster.

LONG LIVE UNCLE BOB.


@dunkang agreed.

@guru267 take emotions out of this and please go spread your propaganda elsewhere.Don't let the handle guru fool you and make you think you're an expert.Hopefully we shall all be here Dec 2013 so that you can eat humble pie.
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#50 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:52:17 PM
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dunkang wrote:
guru267 wrote:
@itz are you for real?? Are you really this economically dumb?? Out of all the places an investor can park their money why would they do it it in a country where the sitting president and vice president are suspected war criminals??

Even without sanctions, the uncertainty around an uhuru ruto presidency can cause enough dollar outflows to send the shilling to 100+
But if there are sanctions we might be talking about 160-200 on the exchange rate!

@itz why should we dismiss @stocksmaster and believe your prediction because you sound like Robert Mugabe before he chased out the wazungu! Useless pride!!


Propaganda machinery has now been unleashed. Distortion of facts at its best, just to suit someone's political inclination and paymaster.

LONG LIVE UNCLE BOB.

I like your signature. Does it refer to vitendawili?
@SufficientlyP
murchr
#51 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:58:37 PM
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Lets be sober fact is tho, that the elections are forming a cloud that is really causing jitters for investors/local and foreign. As Wazuans we should be think-tanks and not political bigots.

Quote:
The construction sector grew by 0.6 per cent in the third quarter of 2012 down from 1.4 per cent and 3.2 per cent in the second and first quarters respectively, new data from the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics (KNBS) shows.


An indication that the real estate sector is on a slow down.

Quote:
Kenya’s tourism sector has already been hit ahead of the elections because of fears of a repeat of the ethnic violence that rocked the country in 2007. The Kenya Tourist Board (KTB) said the sector recorded a decline of 23.3 per cent in tourist arrivals this year.


Surely....why do we think that the stock market shall hold put? All indications are pointing towards a decline.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#52 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 10:01:48 PM
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While I respect @stocksmaster as a seasoned & smart investor,i would like him to answer the following 2 questions below:

1) What will make the NSE move to 4800-5000 under a CORD presidency and not,say, 2300-2500 levels given his economic knowledge?
2) Why have you left out the Eagle alliance (the 3rd force), which to me,if they ascend to power could take the index post 5000 before Dec 31st?

Could money have been pouredsmile
@SufficientlyP
murchr
#53 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 10:19:46 PM
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@Sufficiently.....I will try to answer that,

1. CORD doesn't represent radical change in govt. RAO is almost like an incumbent that's why the market is perceived to be tolerant of him. As for jubilee...to investors, these chaps are ok, but they dont know how the ICC issue will play out...that uncertainty is the problem.
2. In as much as we - I included would like the Eagle to sour, we cant ignore the numbers. To me the Eagle alliance would be the best for this country.

Trust me, investors prefer stability anytime, the rest can be changed
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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jonna
#54 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 10:22:49 PM
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guru267 wrote:
itz wrote:
The world is awash with liquidity and they will be parking it in emerging markets of which kenya should be a beneficiary.125-135 exchange rate...regardless of who wins it will never get there, i don't think it even breaches 95. Again if you asked a stone to give you a prediction it would probably be closer in numbers.


@itz are you for real?? Are you really this economically dumb?? Out of all the places an investor can park their money why would they do it it in a country where the sitting president and vice president are suspected war criminals??

Even without sanctions, the uncertainty around an uhuru ruto presidency can cause enough dollar outflows to send the shilling to 100+
But if there are sanctions we might be talking about 160-200 on the exchange rate!

@itz why should we dismiss @stocksmaster and believe your prediction because you sound like Robert Mugabe before he chased out the wazungu! Useless pride!!


There is some validity to what both of you are saying. On itz part, the recent action by the FED will increase liquidity and as for you Miss Guru, some of that money will find its way to the Kenyan markets since some survey investors want a piece of the action in the stock market and this is after you take into account the oil discoveries and also that investors love cheap cheap bargains. As for Robert Mugabe, the only reason he chased those crazy bald headed people out of Zimbabwe and I think the same situation is happening in South Africa is so that they reduce competition as large multi-national corps are about to set up shop.
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the deal
#55 Posted : Tuesday, January 01, 2013 10:52:27 PM
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Between 6 June 2008 and 3 March 2009 the NSE20 lost more than 3000 points despite the coalition government being formed on 8 February 2008, offcourse something bigger happened during that period...Lehman Brothers collapsed and advanced markets tanked...frontier markets like the NSE were not spared as offshore funds pulled out to cover losses...history never repeats itselfsmile smile Applause Applause Applause
Cde Monomotapa
#56 Posted : Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:04:22 AM
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Hehe. Bunch of born-free Kenyans that didn't see their grandfolks slaving in the White Highlands. Oh well, take a trip to RSA and you'll see it. That wine you drink is the sweat & blood of black people like you.
the deal
#57 Posted : Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:14:21 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Hehe. Bunch of born-free Kenyans that didn't see their grandfolks slaving in the White Highlands. Oh well, take a trip to RSA and you'll see it. That wine you drink is the sweat & blood of black people like you.

No need to post this nonsense here...lets stick to the thread...don't tell me in Zimbabwe white folks are the ones slaving in Mugabes tobacco farms...FYI Zimbabweans now make up the majority of farm workers in SA.

Zim labourers in SA: PASSOP demands amnesty

Migrant rights group People against Suffering Oppression and Poverty and the Congress of South African Trade Unions have made a joint request for government to grant amnesty to undocumented foreigners, most of them Zimbabweans and Malawians, working as farm workers in South Africa.

http://www.thezimbabwean...urers-in-sa-passop.html

@Cde Mugabe would be no way if it wasn't for the SADC support.
Cde Monomotapa
#58 Posted : Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:28:15 AM
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Namibia is just in the same boat but we've allowed @deal to make his fortunes in a fairly Indigenised Kenya. Hail Black Empowerment! Lest I forget, the boss of MTN is Zimbo & Kenyans & Zimbos are both in blue & white collar RSA. As economies in KE & Zim continue to expand as RSA takes a bite of the econ.crisis, brain drain reverses & we'll see who's been swimming naked.
the deal
#59 Posted : Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:43:41 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Namibia is just in the same boat but we've the @deal to make his fortunes in a fairly Indigenised Kenya. Hail Black Empowerment! Lest I forget, the boss of MTN is Zimbo & Kenyans & Zimbos are both in blue & white collar RSA. As economies in KE & Zim continue to expand as RSA takes a bite of the econ.crisis, brain drain reverses & we'll see who's been swimming naked.

Dude I said lets stick to the topic...dont compare apples to oranges...how do you compare low income countries to upper middle income countries...SADC has assisted the people of Zimbabwe during their troubled times...do you know how many Zimbabweans roam the streets of Windhoek? Are you away if it wasnt for Namibia...Zimbabwe would not be part of the Kimberly process? Do you know how many loans the Namibian government has advanced to Mugabes regime? Dont hate on Namibia/RSA we are not responsible for those sanctions...hate on the West...Dude do you know how many transformation and development has taken place in Namibia since the independence? I have lived in Kenya for 4 years now...been to Zimbabwe and RSA...you cant compare the level of development in Kenya to RSA or Namibia...its worlds apart...lets stick to the topic...Both the SA/Namibian economies are growing despite their high bases...their both receiving substantial FDI...the Chinese just invested $2 Billion (KES172 Billion) in a greenfield Namibian mine the other day...Stop hating on success...Black people in SA/Namibia are more richer now than during arpatheid...hundreds of Kenyans work in Namibia while there are only less than 10 Namibians in Kenya...I dont have a problem with that..so are my countrymen...its ONE AFRICA after all....
Cde Monomotapa
#60 Posted : Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:11:37 AM
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Great. Now that we've lowered the arms, let's keep RGM out of this coz what has happened is all about majority Zim coz surely 70K local farmers grossing $750M in tobacco sales from 2K settlors can't be all RGM cronies. They are just majority Zim. More access to productive capital & mainstream economics to the black man. Not just jobs & consumer credit.
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