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Rank: Member Joined: 9/20/2007 Posts: 252
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Hi Wazuans,
Please advice on the bank offering the highest returns p.a for a fixed deposit account/call account.
Asanteni
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/16/2007 Posts: 2,114
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mungaits wrote:Hi Wazuans,
Please advice on the bank offering the highest returns p.a for a fixed deposit account/call account.
Asanteni Try faulu,some months ago I was looking for a place to put some idle cash.Faulu's rate was the highest I could get but the problem was that funds have to be kept there for at least 3 months
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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FAULU: 1 Million Deposit 3 Months 9.50% 6 Months 10.25% 12 Months 11.25%
STANDARD 1 Million 12 Months 10.25%
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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Help required if say:
A bank gives me a loan of 1 Million to be paid at 12% interest [for 1 year] and I deposit in a fixed account 1 million in a bank that is giving me 12% p.a Question: Will the two interests be equal? How is this mathematics done? Somebody knowledgeable?
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2008 Posts: 84
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@Ngong Depends whether the bank loan is on flat rate or reducing balance. If flat rate then you'll be making a loss...if on reducing balance then there's some income to be earned... Option 1: Bank Loan - Flat Rate Total Interest expense = 120K Total repayment = 1.12M Option 2: Bank Loan - Reducing Balance Total Interest expense = 66,185 Total repayment = 1.066M However, I highly doubt that the bank would give you a loan using option 2, unless you're an employee of the bank.. Life and beer are very similar........chill for best results.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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@iMANI Thanks
Does it then follow that if I have a fixed account giving me 10.25% and I take 80% of my fixed account as a loan at 16% from the bank I am paying the loan at 5.75% = [16-10.25]? Assuming equal duration. Right? taking option 1!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Ngong wrote:@iMANI Thanks
Does it then follow that if I have a fixed account giving me 10.25% and I take 80% of my fixed account as a loan at 16% from the bank I am paying the loan at 5.75% = [16-10.25]? Assuming equal duration. Right? taking option 1! ...not really as you were told earlier the loan is on a different platform mst likely compounded while the fixed deposit is on simple interest...kesho asubuhi 1st thing we will do a practical example. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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@Ngong - I had also thought of the same thing but using bonds instead to reduce the loan payments and possibly make a profit.But then I remembered bonds are instruments that reward/punish you if interests rates change.Using the example you have given you won't pay 5.75% for the loan.You will actually have a loss. Here's how,with loan and without loan: Without loan Fixed Account Amount = 1,000,000 Interest Rate = 10.25% After One Year Total = 1,000,000*(1+.1025) = 1,102,500 Profit = 102,500 With loan of 80% of deposit Fixed Account Amount = 1,000,000 Interest Rate = 10.25% 20% deposit(200,000) = 200,000*(1+0.1025) = 224,000 Profit on 20% = 24,000 80% deposit(800,000) = 800,000*(1+0.1025) = 896,000 Profit on 80% = 96,000 Total Profit = 96,000 + 24,000 = 120,000 Loan Calculations Principal Amount(80%)= 1,000,000*0.8 = 800,000 Loan + Interest = 800,000*(1+.016) = 928,000 Interest Amount = 928,000 - 800,000 = 128,000 End loss = 120,000 - 128,000 = -8,000 The reason I separated the loan part into 800,000 and 200,000 is to make it easier to match the 800,000 loan with the 800,000 in the fixed deposit.End of the day you have paid the bank 8,000 when you could have earned 102,500. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/20/2007 Posts: 252
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@Chaka & @Ngong, thanks alot.
Will checkout these Faulu guys.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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ChessMaster wrote:@Ngong - I had also thought of the same thing but using bonds instead to reduce the loan payments and possibly make a profit.But then I remembered bonds are instruments that reward/punish you if interests rates change.Using the example you have given you won't pay 5.75% for the loan.You will actually have a loss.
Here's how,with loan and without loan:
Without loan Fixed Account Amount = 1,000,000 Interest Rate = 10.25% After One Year Total = 1,000,000*(1+.1025) = 1,102,500 Profit = 102,500
With loan of 80% of deposit Fixed Account Amount = 1,000,000 Interest Rate = 10.25% 20% deposit(200,000) = 200,000*(1+0.1025) = 224,000 Profit on 20% = 24,000 80% deposit(800,000) = 800,000*(1+0.1025) = 896,000 Profit on 80% = 96,000 Total Profit = 96,000 + 24,000 = 120,000 Loan Calculations Principal Amount(80%)= 1,000,000*0.8 = 800,000 Loan + Interest = 800,000*(1+.016) = 928,000 Interest Amount = 928,000 - 800,000 = 128,000
End loss = 120,000 - 128,000 = -8,000
The reason I separated the loan part into 800,000 and 200,000 is to make it easier to match the 800,000 loan with the 800,000 in the fixed deposit.End of the day you have paid the bank 8,000 when you could have earned 102,500. ...@chess master unless you sell your bond before it matures thats the only time current interest rates can affect the bond price,rem your coupon is fixed no matter how rates flactuate unless of course its an FRN...there are formulae to calculate the value of a bond at a gvn time e.g Japanese gross redemption yield...i looked at the problem this way;if @ Ngong took 800,000 from a commercial bank @ 16% for 5 years (btw the duration really matters) it means he will pay a sum of 19,454.45,totalling to 1,167,267 this means that 145.90% of the amount borrowed is what will be paid in the end...if he deposits another 100000 in a fxd deposit account @ 10.25% he will be making,102,500,monthly that equates to 8,541.67...meaning he will be required to pay 19,454.45 - 8,541.67 = 10,912.78 per month for his loan. possunt quia posse videntur
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