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mungaits
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 12:49:56 PM
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Hi Wazuans,

Please advice on the bank offering the highest returns p.a for a fixed deposit account/call account.

Asanteni
Chaka
#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 2:11:54 PM
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mungaits wrote:
Hi Wazuans,

Please advice on the bank offering the highest returns p.a for a fixed deposit account/call account.

Asanteni


Try faulu,some months ago I was looking for
a place to put some idle cash.Faulu's rate was the highest I could get but the problem was that funds have to be kept there for at least 3 months
Ngong
#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:17:27 PM
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FAULU:
1 Million Deposit
3 Months 9.50%
6 Months 10.25%
12 Months 11.25%

STANDARD
1 Million
12 Months 10.25%
Ngong
#4 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:26:15 PM
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Help required if say:

A bank gives me a loan of 1 Million to be paid at 12% interest [for 1 year] and I deposit in a fixed account 1 million in a bank that is giving me 12% p.a
Question:
Will the two interests be equal?
How is this mathematics done?
Somebody knowledgeable?
iMANI
#5 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:16:01 AM
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@Ngong

Depends whether the bank loan is on flat rate or reducing balance. If flat rate then you'll be making a loss...if on reducing balance then there's some income to be earned...

Option 1: Bank Loan - Flat Rate
Total Interest expense = 120K
Total repayment = 1.12M

Option 2: Bank Loan - Reducing Balance
Total Interest expense = 66,185
Total repayment = 1.066M

However, I highly doubt that the bank would give you a loan using option 2, unless you're an employee of the bank..
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Ngong
#6 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:32:49 PM
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@iMANI Thanks

Does it then follow that if I have a fixed account giving me 10.25% and I take 80% of my fixed account as a loan at 16% from the bank I am paying the loan at 5.75% = [16-10.25]? Assuming equal duration.
Right? taking option 1!
maka
#7 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:26:31 PM
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Ngong wrote:
@iMANI Thanks

Does it then follow that if I have a fixed account giving me 10.25% and I take 80% of my fixed account as a loan at 16% from the bank I am paying the loan at 5.75% = [16-10.25]? Assuming equal duration.
Right? taking option 1!

...not really as you were told earlier the loan is on a different platform mst likely compounded while the fixed deposit is on simple interest...kesho asubuhi 1st thing we will do a practical example.
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ChessMaster
#8 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:51:48 PM
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@Ngong - I had also thought of the same thing but using bonds instead to reduce the loan payments and possibly make a profit.But then I remembered bonds are instruments that reward/punish you if interests rates change.Using the example you have given you won't pay 5.75% for the loan.You will actually have a loss.

Here's how,with loan and without loan:

Without loan
Fixed Account Amount = 1,000,000
Interest Rate = 10.25%
After One Year Total = 1,000,000*(1+.1025) = 1,102,500
Profit = 102,500

With loan of 80% of deposit
Fixed Account Amount = 1,000,000
Interest Rate = 10.25%
20% deposit(200,000) = 200,000*(1+0.1025) = 224,000
Profit on 20% = 24,000
80% deposit(800,000) = 800,000*(1+0.1025) = 896,000
Profit on 80% = 96,000
Total Profit = 96,000 + 24,000 = 120,000
Loan Calculations
Principal Amount(80%)= 1,000,000*0.8 = 800,000
Loan + Interest = 800,000*(1+.016) = 928,000
Interest Amount = 928,000 - 800,000 = 128,000

End loss = 120,000 - 128,000 = -8,000

The reason I separated the loan part into 800,000 and 200,000 is to make it easier to match the 800,000 loan with the 800,000 in the fixed deposit.End of the day you have paid the bank 8,000 when you could have earned 102,500.
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mungaits
#9 Posted : Friday, December 28, 2012 8:47:04 AM
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@Chaka & @Ngong, thanks alot.

Will checkout these Faulu guys.
maka
#10 Posted : Friday, December 28, 2012 11:10:07 AM
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ChessMaster wrote:
@Ngong - I had also thought of the same thing but using bonds instead to reduce the loan payments and possibly make a profit.But then I remembered bonds are instruments that reward/punish you if interests rates change.Using the example you have given you won't pay 5.75% for the loan.You will actually have a loss.

Here's how,with loan and without loan:

Without loan
Fixed Account Amount = 1,000,000
Interest Rate = 10.25%
After One Year Total = 1,000,000*(1+.1025) = 1,102,500
Profit = 102,500

With loan of 80% of deposit
Fixed Account Amount = 1,000,000
Interest Rate = 10.25%
20% deposit(200,000) = 200,000*(1+0.1025) = 224,000
Profit on 20% = 24,000
80% deposit(800,000) = 800,000*(1+0.1025) = 896,000
Profit on 80% = 96,000
Total Profit = 96,000 + 24,000 = 120,000
Loan Calculations
Principal Amount(80%)= 1,000,000*0.8 = 800,000
Loan + Interest = 800,000*(1+.016) = 928,000
Interest Amount = 928,000 - 800,000 = 128,000

End loss = 120,000 - 128,000 = -8,000

The reason I separated the loan part into 800,000 and 200,000 is to make it easier to match the 800,000 loan with the 800,000 in the fixed deposit.End of the day you have paid the bank 8,000 when you could have earned 102,500.

...@chess master unless you sell your bond before it matures thats the only time current interest rates can affect the bond price,rem your coupon is fixed no matter how rates flactuate unless of course its an FRN...there are formulae to calculate the value of a bond at a gvn time e.g Japanese gross redemption yield...i looked at the problem this way;if @ Ngong took 800,000 from a commercial bank @ 16% for 5 years (btw the duration really matters) it means he will pay a sum of 19,454.45,totalling to 1,167,267 this means that 145.90% of the amount borrowed is what will be paid in the end...if he deposits another 100000
in a fxd deposit account @ 10.25% he will be making,102,500,monthly that equates to 8,541.67...meaning he will be required to pay 19,454.45 - 8,541.67 = 10,912.78 per month for his loan.
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