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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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chemos wrote:nakujua wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Hio story ya triangles is easier, there is overlapping. Last Friday, when overtaking a slow moving bus (1) a cop flagged me and accused me of overlapping. Tuko naye kwa court mpka mwisho.
hehehe, am loving this. hope you are well prepared with a lawyer, and in case you appear before the lady magistrate in the traffic court at milimani, make sure you don't seem to know too much - from the several times I have been there, she doesn't seem to like guys who know too much "law" @Nakujua... its high time u change careers.. wacha kuendesha mats na ukue train driver huko hakuna shida mob...   , with the erratic behaviour of mat drivers, inabidi ushikilie squad every now and then - if only I can afford a train.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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When the kenya police are asking u for this things its not that they care for you and your car burning but how much they will get from you and they get annoyed when everybody is obeying the law.
If the matatu sector just decide to be good guys 2morrow,there will be a special ward in kenyatta for police officers with stress related illnesses!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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quicksand wrote:nakujua wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Hio story ya triangles is easier, there is overlapping. Last Friday, when overtaking a slow moving bus (1) a cop flagged me and accused me of overlapping. Tuko naye kwa court mpka mwisho.
hehehe, am loving this. hope you are well prepared with a lawyer, and in case you appear before the lady magistrate in the traffic court at milimani, make sure you don't seem to know too much - from the several times I have been there, she doesn't seem to like guys who know too much "law" Traffic cops hate guys who stick with it to the end. They don't like returning to court for mentions and hearing, they would rather be out there "earning mullah". A pal of mine once stuck with it, hiring a lawyer and showing clear intent to go all the way - the cops pulled the case. Good luck boss. don't know how that happened, I thought once the charge-sheet is filled in by the cops and taken to court only the prosecutor can pull it out. cops don't mind appearing in court, if they want to f..k you they will appear and to make it worse they appear dressed in suits. try discrediting a traffic cop in court and you will need a very good lawyer whose cost is way more than the max fine you would have paid. Plus no decent lawyer wants to go arguing a traffic offence in court, it makes them look cheap before the magistrates.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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mawinder wrote:jguru wrote:TiggerTiggy wrote:more than 10M in fines collected so far.
BTW you should have 2 triangles, fire extinguisher and approved first aid box, so says some cop i asked yesterday. there seems to be confusion regarding extinguisher and first aid box in personal cars. Seriously, Wazua Driver, why would someone not want to buy and carry the above? It is for your safety, the safety of others on the road and for emergencies! Even DL hamtaki kubeba. Why? ditto.On Saturday while heading to Nakumatt Nyali,next to Wild waters there was this Nissan B14 that had caught fire and the lady was crying as she watched it burn.By the time I was leaving Mombasa today the shell was still by the roadside. ...thats what am telling FRM some of ths thngz r for your own good to be on the safe side jst have them,a first aid box requires very few cheap thngz na c sabuni hazitaisha. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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nakujua wrote:quicksand wrote:nakujua wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Hio story ya triangles is easier, there is overlapping. Last Friday, when overtaking a slow moving bus (1) a cop flagged me and accused me of overlapping. Tuko naye kwa court mpka mwisho.
hehehe, am loving this. hope you are well prepared with a lawyer, and in case you appear before the lady magistrate in the traffic court at milimani, make sure you don't seem to know too much - from the several times I have been there, she doesn't seem to like guys who know too much "law" Traffic cops hate guys who stick with it to the end. They don't like returning to court for mentions and hearing, they would rather be out there "earning mullah". A pal of mine once stuck with it, hiring a lawyer and showing clear intent to go all the way - the cops pulled the case. Good luck boss. don't know how that happened, I thought once the charge-sheet is filled in by the cops and taken to court only the prosecutor can pull it out. cops don't mind appearing in court, if they want to f..k you they will appear and to make it worse they appear dressed in suits. try discrediting a traffic cop in court and you will need a very good lawyer whose cost is way more than the max fine you would have paid. Plus no decent lawyer wants to go arguing a traffic offence in court, it makes them look cheap before the magistrates. . I will argue my case bila lawyer, just stick to the truth..... it will take a while before the hearing commences but hata kama ni 3 years, that cop will not get a dime from me.... not when there was no violation in the first place.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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Rahatupu wrote:nakujua wrote:quicksand wrote:nakujua wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Hio story ya triangles is easier, there is overlapping. Last Friday, when overtaking a slow moving bus (1) a cop flagged me and accused me of overlapping. Tuko naye kwa court mpka mwisho.
hehehe, am loving this. hope you are well prepared with a lawyer, and in case you appear before the lady magistrate in the traffic court at milimani, make sure you don't seem to know too much - from the several times I have been there, she doesn't seem to like guys who know too much "law" Traffic cops hate guys who stick with it to the end. They don't like returning to court for mentions and hearing, they would rather be out there "earning mullah". A pal of mine once stuck with it, hiring a lawyer and showing clear intent to go all the way - the cops pulled the case. Good luck boss. don't know how that happened, I thought once the charge-sheet is filled in by the cops and taken to court only the prosecutor can pull it out. cops don't mind appearing in court, if they want to f..k you they will appear and to make it worse they appear dressed in suits. try discrediting a traffic cop in court and you will need a very good lawyer whose cost is way more than the max fine you would have paid. Plus no decent lawyer wants to go arguing a traffic offence in court, it makes them look cheap before the magistrates. . I will argue my case bila lawyer, just stick to the truth..... it will take a while before the hearing commences but hata kama ni 3 years, that cop will not get a dime from me.... not when there was no violation in the first place. I've been telling myself.. The day Nairobians/Kenyans will decide to follow due course of the law.. there will be a few things happening... 1. there wont be enough cops on the roads. they will all be in court as witnesses 2. Some will be fired since accused drivers will turn into plaintiffs against some of the cops. 3. courts wont be able to handle the cases, So if a cop has almost 100 appearances in court, they will simply ignore extortion and concentrate on better pastures.. Matatus
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Assuming that cops will appear in court, you may be giving undue credence to the idea that cops make good witnesses. Take a trip to the law courts and you will be shocked. Tell the fellow to give you a ticket. He will fill it up with 500 crimes expecting another bribe from you. Give him a pen to write more if he wishes. Then you will understand why they hate people being on the right side of the law. That is from experience folks. You will spend time, but you will have your sanity intact. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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@nakujua ...traffic cases land in limbo at courts all the time, sometimes even by omission, sometimes by deliberate orchestration, don't know the specifics but all of a sudden a case no longer appears in the day's order of business on the next mention, eventually disappearing altogether.
The other thing is these "collections" operate in cartel-like fashion, watu wako na quotas to fill, and it keeps going up like an upside down pyramid....you start missing your quota cause you are in cases all the time prosecuting some stubborn dude who overlapped or u-turned illegally and the boss above you will not be happy. Ati suits? Worn by who, underpaid junior traffic cops?
People haven't really tested the mettle of these traffic prosecutors and traffic police; Makes them take advantage of our meek attitude and wanting to settle things quickly. Its time that changed. Cops should not arrest people without good (provable) cause, especially since the penalties are now very severe, bordering on inhumane in some cases. Go Rahatupu!! Na if down the line you decide to start a 'legal defence fund', I will send 1,000/- by Mpesa.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/1/2008 Posts: 834
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"Careless driving (driving without any care and attention to other road users)" its your word against his... If you are going to be thinking only one thing, you might as well be thinking big. -Donald J . Trump
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