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MATATU SRIKE
nakujua
#81 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 10:27:37 AM
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mawinder wrote:
Kratos wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Kratos wrote:
I fully support the need for change in our road usage rules and etiquette but this new laws are just ridiculous.
Case in point
Careless driving or driving without regard to other road users - Fine not exceeding one hundred thousand shillings (Kshs.100,000)
So if a corrupt policeman/woman decides that you are driving carelessly what evidence do both of you present to the court? Do you think you will get witnesses to back you up against trumped up charges?
Lets get realistic,
1. Most vehicles on the roads are on loan so where will the the guy get cash to pay? Take another loan to service the trumped up charges? Which is easier part with 5k to "pay" for the charges or go to court and risk 100k fine?
2. Which employer will give you time to be attending traffic court cases
3. Are hefty fines and penalties going to make the police less corrupt? Most of this laws are not new, so what will suddenly jolt the police into proper action?

To me this laws were not well thought out. We need a complete overhaul of the traffic system to cover all processes not just on the road user end.
We do not need to reinvent the wheel. Countries like UAE have extremely successful traffic laws and its not because of hefty fines. No police there will chase you around nor will the courts come looking for you for a traffic offense. You will present yourself whether you like it or not.

It is the prosecution to prove your guilt by calling witnesses and adducing witnesses.in the absence of that,you are acquitted.Do NOT plead guity.The new fines call for you to always have someone to secure you on bond or cash bail,a good advocate and you win the case and sue the state for damages.


In this case the corrupt police officer whom you refused to bribe is his own witness. Wouldn't this mean its his testimony verses yours.

kratos,you get a good advocate and you are sorted.MOST of the cops have never seen the traffic act and they will not leave the road to go to testify in court.The charge sheet will even be defective and you will be released on that basis.you can even knock on the judiciary's doors if you know people.

cops are very sharp guys, don't under estimate them - if they want to get to you they will and when it comes down to your word aganist a cop, the courts lean more towards the cops especially in matters traffic.
I am not saying you bribe the cop, but just be wise in how you deal with such situations.
even the good book says to make peace with your accuser before you get to court, or something to that effect.
Elder
#82 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 10:28:51 AM
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maka wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
This law was introduced by Jakoyo Midiwo, was passed by 7 MPs in 30mins-Sunday Nation...i wonder how MPs can pass a bill in 30mins

...do kenyans surely take note of such things,the mps know what matters are going to be voted for beforehand etc they dont appear in parliament then sahi they start making noise jana i had Waititu saying that "hiyo sheria ya matatu irudishwe jikoni" i was saddened Sad

And I find it interesting that the many Matatu associations (how many are they?) did not even bother to lobby for its change before its passing.
He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
nakujua
#83 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 10:37:29 AM
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Elder wrote:

Kratos wrote:
I fully support the need for change in our road usage rules and etiquette but this new laws are just ridiculous.
Case in point
Careless driving or driving without regard to other road users - Fine not exceeding one hundred thousand shillings (Kshs.100,000)
So if a corrupt policeman/woman decides that you are driving carelessly what evidence do both of you present to the court? Do you think you will get witnesses to back you up against trumped up charges?

Most cases of careless or reckless driving would involve more than one party. So witnesses would not be limited to the policeman/woman alone.


if you can avoid a case against a cop especially concerning a traffic offence, do all you can to avoid it.

in most places in the world - very few deny traffic charges, you simply avoid court or when in court you pay the fine and move on.
Lolest!
#84 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 10:40:25 AM
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@elder, been wondering too! How did this escape both MOA and MWA?
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
maka
#85 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 10:42:18 AM
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eduu wrote:
The Matatu strike is suppossedly on tomorrow. This time they will also target the guys with personal cars.
Brace yourselves, it might be rough kesho.

...Naona hapa tweet fulani that there is a gang in Kawangware violently ejecting extra passengers from personal vehicles. This is just a joke
possunt quia posse videntur
TiggerTiggy
#86 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 11:04:18 AM
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bus fare from westy to town is 150, donholm is 200 and as someone has mentioned gangs are violently ejecting passengers from matatus. i pity those mat owners with loans to service, i can bet the auctioneers will be smiling by mid december
McReggae
#87 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 11:13:01 AM
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TiggerTiggy wrote:
bus fare from westy to town is 150, donholm is 200 and as someone has mentioned gangs are violently ejecting passengers from matatus. i pity those mat owners with loans to service, i can bet the auctioneers will be smiling by mid december


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Gadaffi
#88 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 1:00:50 PM
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Now watchin a re-run of 24 the series...kazi iendelee
gmimo
#89 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 2:45:19 PM
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High court declines to suspend the new traffic laws, says the laws were properly passed by parliament and assented to by the president......

time to get used to FOOTsubishi, LEG-Rover, WALKSwagen
sky5
#90 Posted : Monday, December 03, 2012 2:49:31 PM
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They are striking at the wrong time. They could have aired their opposition before the bill was passed parliament. Once the president signed, it became law and only parliament can change it. But which parliament, current or next?
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