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tycho
#11 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:18:33 AM
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shygal wrote:
tycho wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
tycho wrote:
The poem has many meanings. Yet it is one.

White belt, sneaks into black belt affairs.

Wonder is the only outcome.

Yet, can one open a dojo and announce, 'black belt in a week!'

@Obi, the question is the corner stone of the temple. But of course, it is easy to reject.

Can you explain in a language i can understand?


The poet trusts that he can be understood. Hence poetry.

But if his audience cries 'prose!' What does it mean? There's a ladder for the poet to descend, and the listener to ascend.

And each word is both descent, and ascent. So you end up asking, 'when is the word', or 'where is the word?'

Every step, is an answer. 'Yours' and 'his'. Till each merges with the other.

So is one supposed to meet u half up?


Since the symbol isn't the 'thing in itself', then the poet can only descend as far as he can, and the interpreter can only ascend as far as he can. Till perfect union is achieved.

The ascending and descending are not bound in 'time' as we are. It is in the realm of eternity.
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Tokyo
#12 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 4:39:18 AM
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We all have an expiring date/ death. . Where we sleep peacefully forever never to wake up again. We share same destination with cat snakes ants goat trees and all other living things. To suggest otherwise without credible evidence supporting the common allegation about another eternal life is misleading and wrong. But humanity has been brainwashed especially basing their arguments on incomplete Jews manuscripts purporting existence of another life which they can't credibly prove.
work to prosper
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ChessMaster
#13 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 5:44:05 AM
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Brainwashed or not if you are reading this you are alive.If we can't explain the nature of our existence as it stands now,who is to say that our existence ends simply by us dying.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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tycho
#14 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 7:15:31 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
We all have an expiring date/ death. . Where we sleep peacefully forever never to wake up again. We share same destination with cat snakes ants goat trees and all other living things. To suggest otherwise without credible evidence supporting the common allegation about another eternal life is misleading and wrong. But humanity has been brainwashed especially basing their arguments on incomplete Jews manuscripts purporting existence of another life which they can't credibly prove.


Is there 'credible' evidence for this view, and what, or who is the source of this evidence?

Is it possible to have 'complete' evidence? Or rather, is there complete knowledge or 'certainty'? So far, even science itself has been forced to embrace uncertainty.

So if there is truth in holding the above world view, then it is based on a mythology, a construction of sorts.

Is the nature, and intention of the above world view discernible?

I see despair and an attempt to infect others with despair in it.

This world view excludes faith, hope, and love, though it may hide behind 'charitable works'.
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Tokyo
#15 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 8:30:20 AM
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What do you suggest I prove? Death?
The evidence we have is ; we shall all die.never to return. It has been that way and shall remain.
Can you please prove otherwise. Don't only hope your faith will change the obvious

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tycho
#16 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 8:43:24 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
What do you suggest I prove? Death?
The evidence we have is ; we shall all die.never to return. It has been that way and shall remain.
Can you please prove otherwise. Don't only hope your faith will change the obvious



'We shall all 'die', is an assertion. Not evidence.

To give evidence, I suggest that you begin with a comment or critique on the link provided by Josiah33.
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shygal
#17 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 5:03:05 PM
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Tokyo wrote:
We all have an expiring date/ death. . Where we sleep peacefully forever never to wake up again. We share same destination with cat snakes ants goat trees and all other living things. To suggest otherwise without credible evidence supporting the common allegation about another eternal life is misleading and wrong. But humanity has been brainwashed especially basing their arguments on incomplete Jews manuscripts purporting existence of another life which they can't credibly prove.

I suppose things are not as straightforwward as you make them look like. For one, you can never prove that when you die that's the end of you just like there is no conclusive proof that you live on after death.
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