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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@bigbossman, first comes sensing, then feeling and thinking. That is, sensing then interpreting.
Interpretation can only be an inclusive process. Abstraction and interpretation are opposed to each other.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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tycho wrote:@bigbossman, first comes sensing, then feeling and thinking. That is, sensing then interpreting.
Interpretation can only be an inclusive process. Abstraction and interpretation are opposed to each other. Ever had a sudden thought pop up in your mind mister? I am sure u hadn't sensed anything when the thought came to your mind.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/14/2012 Posts: 201 Location: nairobi
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tycho wrote:@bigbossman, first comes sensing, then feeling and thinking. That is, sensing then interpreting.
Interpretation can only be an inclusive process. Abstraction and interpretation are opposed to each other. You just want to put feeling and thinking together no matter what. Infact i've noticed you put feeling before thinking. Usually it's thinking then feeling. But the sudden initial thought doesn't come with a feeling until u you dwell on it long enough to generate a feeling around it. LIFE IS SO GOOD
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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josiah33 wrote:tycho wrote:@bigbossman, first comes sensing, then feeling and thinking. That is, sensing then interpreting.
Interpretation can only be an inclusive process. Abstraction and interpretation are opposed to each other. Ever had a sudden thought pop up in your mind mister? I am sure u hadn't sensed anything when the thought came to your mind. This can't be true. There are sensations even at the synaptic level. Maybe you can plead unawareness, or unconsciousness. You can also fail to notice what you are sensing after being hit by a stimulus for a long time. Like 'masking' of scents.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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bigbossman wrote:tycho wrote:@bigbossman, first comes sensing, then feeling and thinking. That is, sensing then interpreting.
Interpretation can only be an inclusive process. Abstraction and interpretation are opposed to each other. You just want to put feeling and thinking together no matter what. Infact i've noticed you put feeling before thinking. Usually it's thinking then feeling. But the sudden initial thought doesn't come with a feeling until u you dwell on it long enough to generate a feeling around it. What is thinking? It is constructing ideas to meet a need or desire or want. Needs, desires, wants, are rooted in feeling. Ethics, goodness, are also felt. A solution is not just thought up, it is also felt.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Am sure when u die and your consciousness lives on u will still be denying if heaven and hell exists. You will be in either of the two though heaven and hell wouldn't be what people say they are or you might just stick around here not even aware that u are dead as u keep denying yourself what's beyond..[/quote]
Nonsense...When you die, you are dead as a dodo...There is no heaven or hell......Nobody is going to live in mansions in heaven driving on roads paved with gold and nobody is going to burn for eternity in hell...lol...Dumbasses...Have you ever met anybody that has been to either heaven or hell? If you have, what did they say? Did they tell you about the wild parties in hell? lol...Did they tell you about the manicured lawns in heaven? Where is your evidence about this heaven and hell? That shit only exists in your heads....That is stuff that was invented by man to put fear in other men so they can control them, spreading fear is a lucrative business, just ask some of these pastors who have mastered the art of inflicting fear in gullible people..... Delusional beings are hilarious, fortunately for some of us, we are not as weak minded, we think for ourselves and don't have a herd mentality....
I don't live in fear of hell because there is no hell....And there is no heaven either dimwit...Did you just say that when I die I might just stick around here and not even be aware that I am dead? lol. What the eff kind of reasoning is that? Total nonsense. You need to put the drink down dude, stop pulling theories out of your ass and trying to scare us, some of us are not even remotely afraid of your fear mongering, when you kick the bucket you are finished, nothing else happens after that...
Unless you have evidence of somebody that has died and came back to tell stories of heaven and or hell, you are wasting your time racking your brain trying to figure out stuff that you, I and everybody else walking this earth will never figure out....EVER....let me tell you the trick to being in heaven.....be happy, help people, smile, be kind, be a good human being, love unconditionally, make it a deliberate conscious effort to be a morally upright and righteous human being, don't divagate, be a good person no matter what the circumstances might be and you will live a very fulfilling heavenly life here on earth....That is what heaven is....Stop wasting time trying to figure heaven and hell nonsense out....Everytime I speak to a religious person they have their theories about heaven and hell and god and jesus and allah and mohammed and the 2000000000000 other different gods taht exist in your world...All of them more delusional than the previous ones....lol...I feel sorry for you people.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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tycho wrote:Tokyo wrote:Nope. There is no heaven . Who has been there and came back? It's only a myth taken literally . You don't have to go there and come back. You can speak from there. Like me.  how now? "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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faa wrote:Quite a number of Atheist's in Wazua.
To me and many people,the answer to this issue is black and white - that there is God,there is good and and evil , heaven and hell,plus offcourse judgement day whose outcome is based on the choices we made whereas on earth.
No amount of satire, irony or discussion can convince one(God fearing christian) to think otherwise.
The truth is one. Well then if he exists and is a loving god as you claim, tell him to send some food to Africa because kids are starving to death...What exactly is keeping him so occupied that he does not have time to send food to save the dying innocent kids around the world? Oh, I forgot, he is busy punishing the people who don't believe in him....lol...Your god has messed up priorities. I would never ever ever want to be associated with a person/spirit (or whatever your god is) like that. I have more common sense than your god....My common sense tells me that if kids are starving to death (a kid is dying every five minutes or so around the world) then I need to drop everything else I am doing and attend to that situation immediately.....But your silly god is sitting up there conspiring with Noah to build an ark so that he can murder the people left behind who have a difference of opinion from his.....What an angry man this god is, doesn't he know how to resolve conflicts amicably? Does he need anger management classes?
Now that I think about it, shouldn't this god guy have to face the ICC for crimes against humanity? lol....What he did to those people in Noah's time and in Soddom and Gommorha was genocide, this god guy needs to be arrested and have his day in court....lol...
If your god exists, maybe you should ask him to end the suffering on earth...You guys say that he is omni-everything, so when you pray or worship or go listen to the entertainer/businessman (pastor) in your church this Sunday, ask your god to end the suffering in this world and put everybody at ease. That's not too much to ask, is it? Maybe if you prayed in tongues he might hear you, I don't know, lol, but at this point, it's worth a shot, whatever way to reach him, whether it's by sms or email, you guys should try it....
Humans desperately need help on this earth and your god is being a snob and not listening to your prayers and yet I have been told by theists that he can change everything for the better with just a snap of the fingers, what's his deal?....Maybe you guys should all try the speaking in tongues thing and see if it helps....And am not even kidding, am serious about it, I am tired of seeing humans suffering and yet you guys say that your god loves his children and that he can make our lives better if he wanted....Why do we have to wait until we go to "heaven"? Why can't he just give us all those heavenly niceties now? I would love to see everybody on this earth living in a mansion with manicured lawns, why do we have to wait while people continue to suffer?....Well, tell your god that his children are in trouble, tell him to get off his lazy ass and do something about it or I will bitch-slap some sense into him when I meet him for my "judgement" day...lol....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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essyk wrote:tycho wrote:Tokyo wrote:Nope. There is no heaven . Who has been there and came back? It's only a myth taken literally . You don't have to go there and come back. You can speak from there. Like me. how now? Heaven is relationship of 'mutualism' of love and pleasure between Man and God, and in extension, amongst other humans. The relationship then changes one's worldview. Hence it's possible to speak from heaven without meeting the 'atheist's criteria of dying, going to heaven and coming back'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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@hamburglar - Lets assume that God doesn't exist. If that's the case who is to blame for rape,murder,theft,slavery,pollution,greed,moral decay and the likes? Fact is the world is the way it is because of our own evil! Now believing that God exists,he gave us freewill.We rejected his guidance to satisfy our pride and desires.Mtoto akililia wembe mpe.We can see the results of our own leadership.That's where judgement comes in.Even on earth you are responsible for your actions at home,school,work...is it such a big leap to think you would be responsible for the actions of your life too? Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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