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IS HEAVEN A PHYSICAL PLACE OR A STATE OF MIND?
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Heaven is another dimension of life.It's another reality.Only spiritual beings exist there.It is not a physical place therefore it may be right before us,but we cannot experience because we have material bodies.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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tycho wrote:sky5 wrote:[quote=tycho]@sky5, you are saying that 'earth' has an independent existence from Man. And 'world' is a creation of Man.
But perception itself is a construction by the mind.
When did you start contructing earth?
Therefore, when we perceive 'earth' we are constructing it. 'Mountain' as a word also denotes attitude, relationship, expectations and the like.
Perception cannot create!!!
For example, can a tree exist, independently of man?
A tree doesn't need man to exist!!! Infact the presence of man destroys trees!!![/quote]
I am. Eternal. So when did I create the earth? When I spoke. Perceptions of course, are part of the construction process! For example, your ear can only work within a predefined frequency range. About trees, I am the tree of life. Well, well, you've got quite a complex @tycho. i don't know what to call it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/7/2010 Posts: 282 Location: Nairobi
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josiah33 wrote:tycho wrote:sky5 wrote:[quote=tycho]@sky5, you are saying that 'earth' has an independent existence from Man. And 'world' is a creation of Man.
But perception itself is a construction by the mind.
When did you start contructing earth?
Therefore, when we perceive 'earth' we are constructing it. 'Mountain' as a word also denotes attitude, relationship, expectations and the like.
Perception cannot create!!!
For example, can a tree exist, independently of man?
A tree doesn't need man to exist!!! Infact the presence of man destroys trees!!![/quote]
I am. Eternal. So when did I create the earth? When I spoke. Perceptions of course, are part of the construction process! For example, your ear can only work within a predefined frequency range. About trees, I am the tree of life. Well, well, you've got quite a complex @tycho. i don't know what to call it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Sn7n3TRUAJudge for yourself. The decision and consequences are solely yours.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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josiah33 wrote:tycho wrote:sky5 wrote:[quote=tycho]@sky5, you are saying that 'earth' has an independent existence from Man. And 'world' is a creation of Man.
But perception itself is a construction by the mind.
When did you start contructing earth?
Therefore, when we perceive 'earth' we are constructing it. 'Mountain' as a word also denotes attitude, relationship, expectations and the like.
Perception cannot create!!!
For example, can a tree exist, independently of man?
A tree doesn't need man to exist!!! Infact the presence of man destroys trees!!![/quote]
I am. Eternal. So when did I create the earth? When I spoke. Perceptions of course, are part of the construction process! For example, your ear can only work within a predefined frequency range. About trees, I am the tree of life. Well, well, you've got quite a complex @tycho. i don't know what to call it. 'Complex'? If you are speaking in Jungian sense, I concur. For Man must always live within a complex. While on earth his complex is his self. In heaven, his maker. One who is on earth, cannot name a heavenly complex. Only those in heaven can. Those in heaven have the power to name. So the complex is called 'Man God'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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tycho wrote:josiah33 wrote:tycho wrote:sky5 wrote:[quote=tycho]@sky5, you are saying that 'earth' has an independent existence from Man. And 'world' is a creation of Man.
But perception itself is a construction by the mind.
When did you start contructing earth?
Therefore, when we perceive 'earth' we are constructing it. 'Mountain' as a word also denotes attitude, relationship, expectations and the like.
Perception cannot create!!!
For example, can a tree exist, independently of man?
A tree doesn't need man to exist!!! Infact the presence of man destroys trees!!![/quote]
I am. Eternal. So when did I create the earth? When I spoke. Perceptions of course, are part of the construction process! For example, your ear can only work within a predefined frequency range. About trees, I am the tree of life. Well, well, you've got quite a complex @tycho. i don't know what to call it. 'Complex'? If you are speaking in Jungian sense, I concur. For Man must always live within a complex. While on earth his complex is his self. In heaven, his maker. One who is on earth, cannot name a heavenly complex. Only those in heaven can. Those in heaven have the power to name. So the complex is called 'Man God'. And here we have a new condition- the 'God Man Complex'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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josiah33 wrote:tycho wrote:josiah33 wrote:tycho wrote:sky5 wrote:[quote=tycho]@sky5, you are saying that 'earth' has an independent existence from Man. And 'world' is a creation of Man.
But perception itself is a construction by the mind.
When did you start contructing earth?
Therefore, when we perceive 'earth' we are constructing it. 'Mountain' as a word also denotes attitude, relationship, expectations and the like.
Perception cannot create!!!
For example, can a tree exist, independently of man?
A tree doesn't need man to exist!!! Infact the presence of man destroys trees!!![/quote]
I am. Eternal. So when did I create the earth? When I spoke. Perceptions of course, are part of the construction process! For example, your ear can only work within a predefined frequency range. About trees, I am the tree of life. Well, well, you've got quite a complex @tycho. i don't know what to call it. 'Complex'? If you are speaking in Jungian sense, I concur. For Man must always live within a complex. While on earth his complex is his self. In heaven, his maker. One who is on earth, cannot name a heavenly complex. Only those in heaven can. Those in heaven have the power to name. So the complex is called 'Man God'. And here we have a new condition- the 'God Man Complex'. Isn't it interesting to note the words you are using? 'Condition' meaning 'abnormal'? Perhaps with a negative connotation? Mmmm! Basis? 'Not me!' 'Unlike me!' So this naming of yours does it have love?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2012 Posts: 1,110
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ChessMaster wrote:Earth and trees have independent existence from man but the words earth and tree do not.Reality is reality. It exists independent of everyone's individual perceptions. It is not an illusion. Illusion and deception exists in the minds of men.Truth remains true irrespective of whether you believe it or not.
I am is I am. There is no illusion of separateness because the reality is there is separateness. He existed before all, independent of anything and anyone with none to claim anything. He is the alpha and omega, the same yesterday,today and tomorrow. He exists beyond the construct of time which governs all but Him who created time!!
Heaven and hell are spiritual planes whose properties extend to our plane. Heaven and hell begins here in the minds and hearts of man and extends in the afterlife.
Sanity prevails at last! Reality exists independent of individual perception. A tree does not need you to exist. A rock does not need man to exist.. it is there..and that is reality. Whether you acknowledge its existence or not, it exists..and that is the reality! Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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tycho wrote:josiah33 wrote:tycho wrote:josiah33 wrote:tycho wrote:sky5 wrote:[quote=tycho]@sky5, you are saying that 'earth' has an independent existence from Man. And 'world' is a creation of Man.
But perception itself is a construction by the mind.
When did you start contructing earth?
Therefore, when we perceive 'earth' we are constructing it. 'Mountain' as a word also denotes attitude, relationship, expectations and the like.
Perception cannot create!!!
For example, can a tree exist, independently of man?
A tree doesn't need man to exist!!! Infact the presence of man destroys trees!!![/quote]
I am. Eternal. So when did I create the earth? When I spoke. Perceptions of course, are part of the construction process! For example, your ear can only work within a predefined frequency range. About trees, I am the tree of life. Well, well, you've got quite a complex @tycho. i don't know what to call it. 'Complex'? If you are speaking in Jungian sense, I concur. For Man must always live within a complex. While on earth his complex is his self. In heaven, his maker. One who is on earth, cannot name a heavenly complex. Only those in heaven can. Those in heaven have the power to name. So the complex is called 'Man God'. And here we have a new condition- the 'God Man Complex'. Isn't it interesting to note the words you are using? 'Condition' meaning 'abnormal'? Perhaps with a negative connotation? Mmmm! Basis? 'Not me!' 'Unlike me!' So this naming of yours does it have love? Lot's of love for you tycho......
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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InnovateGuy wrote:ChessMaster wrote:Earth and trees have independent existence from man but the words earth and tree do not.Reality is reality. It exists independent of everyone's individual perceptions. It is not an illusion. Illusion and deception exists in the minds of men.Truth remains true irrespective of whether you believe it or not.
I am is I am. There is no illusion of separateness because the reality is there is separateness. He existed before all, independent of anything and anyone with none to claim anything. He is the alpha and omega, the same yesterday,today and tomorrow. He exists beyond the construct of time which governs all but Him who created time!!
Heaven and hell are spiritual planes whose properties extend to our plane. Heaven and hell begins here in the minds and hearts of man and extends in the afterlife.
Sanity prevails at last! Reality exists independent of individual perception. A tree does not need you to exist. A rock does not need man to exist.. it is there..and that is reality. Whether you acknowledge its existence or not, it exists..and that is the reality! 'A rock' means an instance of 'a point of reference called rock'. Where is this point of reference? Mind. All these things you are sensing are determined by your tools of perception, and they have defined ranges of operation.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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josiah33 wrote:tycho wrote:josiah33 wrote:tycho wrote:josiah33 wrote:tycho wrote:sky5 wrote:[quote=tycho]@sky5, you are saying that 'earth' has an independent existence from Man. And 'world' is a creation of Man.
But perception itself is a construction by the mind.
When did you start contructing earth?
Therefore, when we perceive 'earth' we are constructing it. 'Mountain' as a word also denotes attitude, relationship, expectations and the like.
Perception cannot create!!!
For example, can a tree exist, independently of man?
A tree doesn't need man to exist!!! Infact the presence of man destroys trees!!![/quote]
I am. Eternal. So when did I create the earth? When I spoke. Perceptions of course, are part of the construction process! For example, your ear can only work within a predefined frequency range. About trees, I am the tree of life. Well, well, you've got quite a complex @tycho. i don't know what to call it. 'Complex'? If you are speaking in Jungian sense, I concur. For Man must always live within a complex. While on earth his complex is his self. In heaven, his maker. One who is on earth, cannot name a heavenly complex. Only those in heaven can. Those in heaven have the power to name. So the complex is called 'Man God'. And here we have a new condition- the 'God Man Complex'. Isn't it interesting to note the words you are using? 'Condition' meaning 'abnormal'? Perhaps with a negative connotation? Mmmm! Basis? 'Not me!' 'Unlike me!' So this naming of yours does it have love? Lot's of love for you tycho...... I am most grateful.
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