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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@sky5, you are saying that 'earth' has an independent existence from Man. And 'world' is a creation of Man.
But perception itself is a construction by the mind.
Therefore, when we perceive 'earth' we are constructing it. 'Mountain' as a word also denotes attitude, relationship, expectations and the like.
For example, can a tree exist, independently of man? Of course not! I don't expect a leopard to have the same symbol and meaning for the thing I call tree!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Reality is an illusion, a state of mind that we create in every moment. Time, space and our senses are the frame on which we hang this illusion and make it seem real. They are illusions too. Wonderful liars. But the biggest lie is the illusion of separateness (that you are and therefore I am). The truth is only one. I am. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:Reality is an illusion,
a state of mind that we create in every moment.
Time, space and our senses are the frame on which we hang this illusion and make it seem real.
They are illusions too. Wonderful liars.
But the biggest lie is the illusion of separateness (that you are and therefore I am).
The truth is only one. I am.
I am. Man God!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/14/2012 Posts: 201 Location: nairobi
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tycho wrote:@sky5, you are saying that 'earth' has an independent existence from Man. And 'world' is a creation of Man.
But perception itself is a construction by the mind.
Therefore, when we perceive 'earth' we are constructing it. 'Mountain' as a word also denotes attitude, relationship, expectations and the like.
For example, can a tree exist, independently of man? Of course not! I don't expect a leopard to have the same symbol and meaning for the thing I call tree! But why do u deny that heaven just like earth is an abstraction? LIFE IS SO GOOD
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/7/2010 Posts: 282 Location: Nairobi
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[quote=tycho]@sky5, you are saying that 'earth' has an independent existence from Man. And 'world' is a creation of Man.
But perception itself is a construction by the mind.
When did you start contructing earth?
Therefore, when we perceive 'earth' we are constructing it. 'Mountain' as a word also denotes attitude, relationship, expectations and the like.
Perception cannot create!!!
For example, can a tree exist, independently of man?
A tree doesn't need man to exist!!! Infact the presence of man destroys trees!!![/quote]
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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bigbossman wrote:tycho wrote:@sky5, you are saying that 'earth' has an independent existence from Man. And 'world' is a creation of Man.
But perception itself is a construction by the mind.
Therefore, when we perceive 'earth' we are constructing it. 'Mountain' as a word also denotes attitude, relationship, expectations and the like.
For example, can a tree exist, independently of man? Of course not! I don't expect a leopard to have the same symbol and meaning for the thing I call tree! But why do u deny that heaven just like earth is an abstraction? Abstraction? I am saying construction.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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Earth and trees have independent existence from man but the words earth and tree do not.Reality is reality. It exists independent of everyone's individual perceptions. It is not an illusion. Illusion and deception exists in the minds of men.Truth remains true irrespective of whether you believe it or not. I am is I am. There is no illusion of separateness because the reality is there is separateness. He existed before all, independent of anything and anyone with none to claim anything. He is the alpha and omega, the same yesterday,today and tomorrow. He exists beyond the construct of time which governs all but Him who created time!! Heaven and hell are spiritual planes whose properties extend to our plane. Heaven and hell begins here in the minds and hearts of man and extends in the afterlife. Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/7/2010 Posts: 282 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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sky5 wrote:[quote=tycho]@sky5, you are saying that 'earth' has an independent existence from Man. And 'world' is a creation of Man.
But perception itself is a construction by the mind.
When did you start contructing earth?
Therefore, when we perceive 'earth' we are constructing it. 'Mountain' as a word also denotes attitude, relationship, expectations and the like.
Perception cannot create!!!
For example, can a tree exist, independently of man?
A tree doesn't need man to exist!!! Infact the presence of man destroys trees!!![/quote]
I am. Eternal. So when did I create the earth? When I spoke. Perceptions of course, are part of the construction process! For example, your ear can only work within a predefined frequency range. About trees, I am the tree of life.
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