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Safaricom Investment Cooperative
BGL
#61 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 12:27:33 PM
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The Safaricom Investment Cooperative Limited (SIC) invites tenders for the construction of 2 and 3 Bedroom Apartments along Mombasa Road

http://sic.co.ke/downloa...%20-%20final%20copy1.pdf
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eco
#62 Posted : Wednesday, September 19, 2012 1:33:31 PM
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Blue Bell Apartments. Now the mbus is ready to roll. 20 2-bedroom and 60 3-bedroom units on offer at 4.5 and 5.5M, out of a total of 80 and 220 projected units, respectively. A good opportunity to flip.

http://www.sic.co.ke/
Drunkard
#63 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2012 1:12:34 AM
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bird_man wrote:
42%p.a return just sounds fishy especially when you dont pay it out in cash form.Those are methods employed by Saccos/Companies with liquidity issues hoping to impress would be investors.You have 1M in your savings & earn 420k in dividends of which you will only receive 100k in cash.....really?


I think you're the one of the few people here with good brains and I want to add onto what you've already noted.

First once I read that you get bonus stock as part of dividends I found it very much cooked! Think about it, this is not even about liquidity it sound more like cooking the books to get to 42%. Before we even go far lets think through these.
SIC buy properties/land and sell them, sound legit to me, the only problem is that it is so easy to manipulate the books since they can actually recognize investment income associated with appreciation of fixed assets, i.e land. Lets step back and think through it again, say SIC want to look good and decide that they need to show 42% return all the need to do is hire and appraiser and have their properties appraised at 20-30% higher, but since they won't have money because they haven't sold their properties all they need to do is give you a bonus share as dividend but remember the bonus share is tied to inflated appreciation value that might never be realized!

I know I am called Drunkard here but I think my mind is working right and I have heard of alot of investment so I will tell you, unless these guys are dealing with other things apart from buying> sub dividing and selling land/plots then I will stamp this SEC as a phyramid that will eventually collapse when they won't be able to afford the 10% cash payments. Here how I came up with my conclusion, I don't think in a location where 1 acre is going for 100%, 0.1 acre goes for 142%, the ratio is unreasonably high. Unless you can buy land in places where there is still alot of land and carry it to places where there is shortage, my point is the standard deviation of price between 1 and 0.1 acre is not going to be that large and where that would have been
possible, you won't find land to buy and divide!


One more thing, the only people marketing SIC here are very interesting, they do not want to answer simple questions in the name of " I can't discuss private company in public" but on the other hand they want to tell you about the good stuff about the company.

Looking ahead at SIC, the company can actually be legit, don't get me wrong but I am looking at 42% and I am assuming they're getting alot of people to invest in it and in turn they're constructing flats and town homes across the city, sound legit right? Yes! But everyone will be claiming 142% for 100% they invested, so unless 142% is real this is a pyramid!
BGL
#64 Posted : Thursday, October 04, 2012 4:29:17 AM
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A simple maths/arithmetic, common sense and history tells me that critiquing everything is very exciting. However, it is also a rehearsal if not a recipe for #mapambano and #peremende movements. Ultimately the decision on what to invest in is an individual choice but be careful that down the line you won't be living at the mercy of a payslip.
History will not remember you for your IQ. It will remember you for what you did. “Genius is 1 percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration.” Thomas Edison
Mukiri
#65 Posted : Friday, October 05, 2012 5:18:42 PM
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Drunkard wrote:
bird_man wrote:
42%p.a return just sounds fishy especially when you dont pay it out in cash form.Those are methods employed by Saccos/Companies with liquidity issues hoping to impress would be investors.You have 1M in your savings & earn 420k in dividends of which you will only receive 100k in cash.....really?


I think you're the one of the few people here with good brains and I want to add onto what you've already noted.

First once I read that you get bonus stock as part of dividends I found it very much cooked! Think about it, this is not even about liquidity it sound more like cooking the books to get to 42%. Before we even go far lets think through these.
SIC buy properties/land and sell them, sound legit to me, the only problem is that it is so easy to manipulate the books since they can actually recognize investment income associated with appreciation of fixed assets, i.e land. Lets step back and think through it again, say SIC want to look good and decide that they need to show 42% return all the need to do is hire and appraiser and have their properties appraised at 20-30% higher, but since they won't have money because they haven't sold their properties all they need to do is give you a bonus share as dividend but remember the bonus share is tied to inflated appreciation value that might never be realized!

I know I am called Drunkard here but I think my mind is working right and I have heard of alot of investment so I will tell you, unless these guys are dealing with other things apart from buying> sub dividing and selling land/plots then I will stamp this SEC as a phyramid that will eventually collapse when they won't be able to afford the 10% cash payments. Here how I came up with my conclusion, I don't think in a location where 1 acre is going for 100%, 0.1 acre goes for 142%, the ratio is unreasonably high. Unless you can buy land in places where there is still alot of land and carry it to places where there is shortage, my point is the standard deviation of price between 1 and 0.1 acre is not going to be that large and where that would have been
possible, you won't find land to buy and divide!


One more thing, the only people marketing SIC here are very interesting, they do not want to answer simple questions in the name of " I can't discuss private company in public" but on the other hand they want to tell you about the good stuff about the company.

Looking ahead at SIC, the company can actually be legit, don't get me wrong but I am looking at 42% and I am assuming they're getting alot of people to invest in it and in turn they're constructing flats and town homes across the city, sound legit right? Yes! But everyone will be claiming 142% for 100% they invested, so unless 142% is real this is a pyramid!



The truth shall set you free.. Let us be told

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tinker
#66 Posted : Friday, October 05, 2012 9:48:40 PM
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I took posts on this forum seriously. I researched about SIC foundation, I was convinced and thus went ahead
and joined them last month...
....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
mozenrat
#67 Posted : Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:09:27 PM
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@Drunkard, you have asked excellent questions that all investors should ask about all their investments. With specific regard to SIC, however, the answer to your questions is straight forward -> 45M of the total 47M income declared by SIC came from SALE of land NOT revaluation (at least according to their published accounts where they've given a breakdown of the profits from each of the sales).

My opinion is that members also need to start thinking about whether the sacco offers the best deals to them if their profit margins are this large!!!

Drunkard wrote:


SIC buy properties/land and sell them, sound legit to me, the only problem is that it is so easy to manipulate the books since they can actually recognize investment income associated with appreciation of fixed assets,

my point is the standard deviation of price between 1 and 0.1 acre is not going to be that large and where that would have been
possible, you won't find land to buy and divide!


patrazi
#68 Posted : Saturday, October 06, 2012 8:29:53 PM
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When a management eats investors money people complain, when it gives high returns people become suspicious.
XSK
#69 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 8:30:41 PM
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patrazi wrote:
When a management eats investors money people complain, when it gives high returns people become suspicious.


@patraz

maybe they should give average returns! no one complains or is suspicious smile
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eco
#70 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:36:49 PM
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No wonder the high dividends!
Mukiri
#71 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:32:31 PM
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eco wrote:
No wonder the high dividends!


Why?d'oh! Have they paid?

Proverbs 19:21
BGL
#72 Posted : Tuesday, December 25, 2012 3:33:03 PM
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Only six days to the end of the year, the time to prepare for >40% dividend.
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bird_man
#73 Posted : Tuesday, December 25, 2012 6:19:08 PM
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You mean 10% in cash and 30% on paper? :)
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Hunderwear
#74 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 3:31:31 PM
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bird_man wrote:
You mean 10% in cash and 30% on paper? :)



I noticed they successfully sold off a number of projects towards the year end.
That should giv us some dividemds come 2013.When do rhey pay by the way?
BGL
#75 Posted : Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:10:27 PM
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SGM scheduled for last week of january
Agenda: To increase borrowing power review to 0.5bn inorder to finance bluebells apartment project.


History will not remember you for your IQ. It will remember you for what you did. “Genius is 1 percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration.” Thomas Edison
Mucene
#76 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:50:49 PM
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AGM on 21 FEB 2013
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BGL
#77 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 4:53:53 PM
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Mucene wrote:
AGM on 21 FEB 2013


Awaiting the dividend but i think it will be lower this year due to need to retain cash for blue bell project financing.
History will not remember you for your IQ. It will remember you for what you did. “Genius is 1 percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration.” Thomas Edison
patrazi
#78 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 2:58:56 PM
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Dividend could remain high to attract new members.
Impunity
#79 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 4:38:07 PM
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patrazi wrote:
Dividend could remain high to attract new members.


PONZI!
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

patrazi
#80 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 6:21:44 PM
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Impunity wrote:
patrazi wrote:
Dividend could remain high to attract new members.


PONZI!

A good %ge of cooperatives pay high dividends from their profits to retain/attract membership. I don't think this is different.
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