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Cot death – a pain that never fades
brav
#1 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 10:44:59 AM
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this is something which I wouldn't want even my worst enemy to go through

Imagine this 8:00PM you are laughing playing with your kid and at 10:00PM he is dead, cold with absolutely no warning.

this was how I lost baby Immanuel.

well from google I got this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/05/cot-death-eastenders-pain?commentpage=2#start-of-comments

any doctors in the house?

brav
#2 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 10:55:02 AM
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Ohhh and this too might help

More info
Robinhood
#3 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 11:45:22 AM
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Pole sana @Brav. This is too painful
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Dash
#4 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 12:06:06 PM
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oh man, I thought it was from illness. This is just too painful
rryyzz
#5 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 1:30:37 PM
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brav wrote:
this is something which I wouldn't want even my worst enemy to go through

Imagine this 8:00PM you are laughing playing with your kid and at 10:00PM he is dead, cold with absolutely no warning.

this was how I lost baby Immanuel.

well from google I got this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/05/cot-death-eastenders-pain?commentpage=2#start-of-comments

any doctors in the house?

@Brav pole,
may God grant you peace.This is indeed very painful.
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essyk
#6 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 4:50:37 PM
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pole sana.
I have read about cot deaths and stuff and I can't even begin to comprehend the guilt in a parent's mind.
All I can say is take heart.God will compensate you and give you peace and comfort with time.
picture the baby singing/clapping/dancing with the angels above.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
AlphDoti
#7 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 6:14:44 PM
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@brav please accept my sympathy and consolation for loosing a baby. Myself as a parent, I can imagine how you feel. May God increase patience in this time of your calamity.

I will also add what we are taught to say (Islamic):
"To God belongs what He takes and to Him belongs what He gives. And there is a set time by Him for everything. Do exercise patience and expect reward from God."

After reading your posts on the probable cause of your child's death, I remembered hadith which talks about this exactly!!!

Please, Wazuans allow me to share with you this hadith and its significance.
NOTE: This is not an act of showing off or boasting about something or my religion, but to share and show you how God has taight many things, which is good for our living well on this earth.

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said that God hates us to sleep on our stomachs!
This really answers the enlightening @brav has shared with us today.
It satisfying for us as Muslims to know that we are following what Allah's Prophet said in the Hadiths.

In Islam it is forbidden for both men and women
Here is the quote from the Prophet
Yaeesh ibn Tihfah reported that his father said:
"I stayed as a guest with the Messenger of God (pbuh) with those of the poor whom he hosted.
The Prophet came out in the night to check up on his guests, and saw me lying on my stomach.
He prodded me with his foot and said, ‘Do not lie in this manner, for it is a way of lying that God hates.’”


Let us see scientific point of view
We only knew that this religious prohibition that sleeping on the stomach is a bad habit.
But now Science agrees with religion after 1400 years!!!!
Scientists have proven that this positon has effects on our bodies and people should stay away from it.
The scientific report (released by the US government, I think in Nov 2000) says that it is one of the major causes of "cot death" which effects children under the age of three.

Science mentions the issues with sleeping on the stomach
Quote:
- Due to the weight of the spine, the number one recommendation by doctors to prevent and protect the spine and soft organs is not to sleep this way as the heavy spine sags unhindered as it squashes the internal organs “...You may want to avoid sleeping on your stomach, especially on a saggy mattress, since this can cause back strain and can be uncomfortable for your neck…”
- More recently too, there was an epidemic so to say of babies dieing in their cots while at sleep, a kind of sleep monster phenomenon.
After research and doctors collating data from many mothers to figure out what made infants suddenly die in their sleep it was discovered (after many deaths) that sleeping on the stomach was the single great cause of this SIDS(Suddenqq Infant Death Syndrome)
- Mothers every where were advised to not put their infants to sleep on their stomachs any more, and prod them with a pillow.

The medical profession celebrated this discovery. Even though the religions prescribed the prevention of this years ago.

REF: http://www.kidshealth.or...general/sleep/sids.html

NOTE: CNN said that sleeping on the stomach is the worst position
- Leads to neck and back pain
- increases wrinkles
- damages breasts i.e. you a woman cannot maintain perky breasts
tycho
#8 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 7:05:27 PM
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There's a poem I once read.

What are the clouds
but an excuse for the sky?

What is life,
but an escape from death?

You loved your child, you were supposed to protect her, but you couldn't.

Who are you accountable to?

Man? He has forgiven you.

God? He is ever merciful and loving!

But you, can you heal yourself? You must lose yourself; you must surrender.
iKenya
#9 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 7:24:27 AM
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Pole sana@brav, cannot even start to say that I can imagine what you are going through...
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dossy7
#10 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:11:55 AM
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pole sana brav, as a parent I can only imagine ur pain
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brav
#11 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:36:10 PM
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thanks alot for this
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pole sana.
I have read about cot deaths and stuff and I can't even begin to comprehend the guilt in a parent's mind.
All I can say is take heart.God will compensate you and give you peace and comfort with time.
picture the baby singing/clapping/dancing with the angels above.


thanks @Alphdoti for that. though lying in that position is only a possible cause caused by the kid suffocating. I concur
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To God belongs what He takes and to Him belongs what He gives. And there is a set time by Him for everything. Do exercise patience and expect reward from God
Rahatupu
#12 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:54:43 PM
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brav wrote:
thanks alot for this
Quote:
pole sana.
I have read about cot deaths and stuff and I can't even begin to comprehend the guilt in a parent's mind.
All I can say is take heart.God will compensate you and give you peace and comfort with time.
picture the baby singing/clapping/dancing with the angels above.


thanks @Alphdoti for that. though lying in that position is only a possible cause caused by the kid suffocating. I concur
Quote:
To God belongs what He takes and to Him belongs what He gives. And there is a set time by Him for everything. Do exercise patience and expect reward from God



Pole sana Brav
pilgrimage
#13 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 4:20:51 PM
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pole brav.May the Lord comfort you.
new investor
#14 Posted : Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:01:48 PM
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brav wrote:
this is something which I wouldn't want even my worst enemy to go through

Imagine this 8:00PM you are laughing playing with your kid and at 10:00PM he is dead, cold with absolutely no warning.

this was how I lost baby Immanuel.

well from google I got this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/05/cot-death-eastenders-pain?commentpage=2#start-of-comments

any doctors in the house?



It's amazing how people are looking for doctors yet I believe He is right there in your house. Recently, I was reading Genesis and notice children bury their fathers....except where there is judgement.

I give you 3 cases. First was Adam and Eve: they ate the fruit yet God had said that if they did so they would die. Their son died(killed by their own son much later)

Second was David.(II Samuel 12:13-14) After he committed adultery with Bathsheba, his son died. See how the prophet tells him" The Lord has taken away your sins, you will not die.......but your son will die"

Third was the case of Ananias and Saphira.( Doesn't always happen instantly lie in this case)

I am not saying this to make anyone feel bad but somewhere in the book of Isaiah (we did that in sec ) God says He will punish children for the sins of their fathers. In Romans the Bible says, all have sinned.."

Please repent for any involvement of you or your parents, grandparents etc so that you may safeguard the rest of your kids.

Repent especially for polygamy, fornication, adultery,ABORTION,and once you claim the blood of Jesus over your family, claim the promise of God in Deuteronomy 28:1-13. Ask God to deliver you from judgement and the curses in the rest of the chapter. See the promise of God in Deuteronomy 30

As long as God has not taken away your sins through repentance and deliverance, death (financial, diseases,divorce) will continue to hover.

Also make sure your kids are dedicated in church, not part of traditional cultural ceremonies(especially involving blood/sacrifice)naming after people(you have to disconnect them from spiritual ties with the spirits of the dead)and give thanksgiving offering to God.

I learnt this the hard way after losing 6 kids until I got really desperate and turned to God for help.I can give you some of the books I have been reading.........
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AlphDoti
#15 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:30:45 PM
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new investor wrote:
brav wrote:
this is something which I wouldn't want even my worst enemy to go through

Imagine this 8:00PM you are laughing playing with your kid and at 10:00PM he is dead, cold with absolutely no warning.

this was how I lost baby Immanuel.

well from google I got this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/05/cot-death-eastenders-pain?commentpage=2#start-of-comments

any doctors in the house?

It's amazing how people are looking for doctors yet I believe He is right there in your house. Recently, I was reading Genesis and notice children bury their fathers....except where there is judgement.
...
Repent especially for polygamy...

Please educate me, is polygamy sin?

new investor wrote:
...See the promise of God in Deuteronomy 30...

So you believe in the old testament?

new investor wrote:
...not part of traditional cultural ceremonies(especially involving blood/sacrifice)naming...

How do you compare this with your believe in death on the cross, is this not what God said He does not need blood sacrifice in the old testament?

new investor wrote:
...I can give you some of the books I have been reading...

Have you ever read the Quran? And if not, why not?
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