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THE EARTH HAS AN EXPIRY DATE TOO.
seppuku
#11 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2012 12:05:51 PM
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Intelligentsia wrote:
seppuku wrote:
See, the trouble with us human beings is our exaggerated sense of importance. That's why we invent curious notions like heaven and the soul. We don't like to accept that in universal terms, we are a very insignificant minority.

I think we're going to consume ourselves out of existence one day. But so what? The galaxies won't even notice, and planet earth will likely just reinvent itself and give rise to smarter life. We won't be its first extinction. And certainly we won't be the last. But I'll be in heaven by then!


So which is which? Is heaven a 'curious' place for you?


Yes. Curious in the sense of "beyond or deviating from the usual or expected". And of course my last remark was made in jest.
Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
tycho
#12 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2012 12:09:38 PM
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[quote=josiah33]A case for space colonisation?- http://www.dailymail.co....ns-Stephen-Hawking.html[/quote]

What Hawking is saying is typical of an atheistic world view, though it has some correct assessments like we are selfish and inclined to war.

But then this view leads him to advocate for space habitation as a way to escape from human nature.

But is it a cogent argument? No.

The Man God will live in other planets because he/she can, and it pleases him.
seppuku
#13 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2012 12:14:30 PM
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josiah33 wrote:
limanika wrote:
seppuku wrote:
See, the trouble with us human beings is our exaggerated sense of importance. That's why we invent curious notions like heaven and the soul. We don't like to accept that in universal terms, we are a very insignificant minority.

I think we're going to consume ourselves out of existence one day. But so what? The galaxies won't even notice, and planet earth will likely just reinvent itself and give rise to smarter life. We won't be its first extinction. And certainly we won't be the last. But I'll be in heaven by then!
how will earth recreate itself? Does it have a soul? When you say man is insignificant isn't that just a thought in your mind?

I guess he means some other intelligent life form will emerge once we are extinct or some evolved human beings better adapted to live in a world too harsh for us to survive will dominate the earth.


@limanika, I have no reason to think the earth has a soul or anything like that. As for how it would recreate itself, I haven't the foggiest idea. But science tells us that we didn't always exist. Some process, call it evolution or creation or whatever, made us happen. I cannot imagine anything that would prevent it (or something similar) from occurring again. @josiah33, you perfectly understood my conjecture.
Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
josiah33
#14 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2012 12:17:12 PM
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tycho wrote:
[quote=josiah33]A case for space colonisation?- http://www.dailymail.co....ns-Stephen-Hawking.html[/quote]

What Hawking is saying is typical of an atheistic world view, though it has some correct assessments like we are selfish and inclined to war.

But then this view leads him to advocate for space habitation as a way to escape from human nature.

But is it a cogent argument? No.

The Man God will live in other planets because he/she can, and it pleases him.

You never explained to me who this Man God is. How long should i wait for the answer?
limanika
#15 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2012 12:20:31 PM
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Earth is 65% water and water is life. Life cannot end for the reasons cited. One thing you must know is that human flesh has no place in the universe. But the soul surely has a place in the cosmos. Remember, as Einstein said, space and time are just 'stubborn illusions'
tycho
#16 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2012 12:31:49 PM
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josiah33 wrote:
tycho wrote:
[quote=josiah33]A case for space colonisation?- http://www.dailymail.co....ns-Stephen-Hawking.html[/quote]

What Hawking is saying is typical of an atheistic world view, though it has some correct assessments like we are selfish and inclined to war.

But then this view leads him to advocate for space habitation as a way to escape from human nature.

But is it a cogent argument? No.

The Man God will live in other planets because he/she can, and it pleases him.

You never explained to me who this Man God is. How long should i wait for the answer?


I wasn't aware that you had asked such a question. I am sorry.

The Man God is a human who has climbed the ladder to heaven and is one with God.
AlphDoti
#17 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2012 12:41:29 PM
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alma wrote:
The earth will never end. Human beings will cease to exist and the earth will go on and recreate again.

@alma have you forgotten your science? Remember Big Bang?

Quote:
All matter was created at this instant, hence starting our universe.


So the universe is expanding and it will contract
One theory says it will keep expanding until the pull of gravity between matter will eventually be strong enough to stop the expansion and the universe will begin contracting.
Then the galaxies will eventually start moving back towards each other.
Then the universe will bounce back in a cycle of expanding and contracting forever.

Quran says it already:
The Quran contains scientific facts which have been discovered in 20th and 21st centuries.
For example, below verse which reveals that the universe will expand to some limit, then stop expanding, then collapse back.
"...We have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.... " (Surah 51:47).

The Quran also reveals that in future
- This universe will stop expanding because gravity.
- Then it will collapse back to start a new creation.
"That Day We will fold up heaven like folding up the pages of a book. As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. It is a promise binding on Us. That is what We will do." (Surah 21:104).

See this analogy
"They do not measure Allah with His true measure. The whole earth will be a mere handful for Him on the Day of Rising the heavens folded up in His right hand. Glory be to Him! He is exalted above the partners they ascribe!" (Surah 39:67).
josiah33
#18 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2012 12:41:52 PM
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tycho wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
tycho wrote:
[quote=josiah33]A case for space colonisation?- http://www.dailymail.co....ns-Stephen-Hawking.html[/quote]

What Hawking is saying is typical of an atheistic world view, though it has some correct assessments like we are selfish and inclined to war.

But then this view leads him to advocate for space habitation as a way to escape from human nature.

But is it a cogent argument? No.

The Man God will live in other planets because he/she can, and it pleases him.

You never explained to me who this Man God is. How long should i wait for the answer?


I wasn't aware that you had asked such a question. I am sorry.

The Man God is a human who has climbed the ladder to heaven and is one with God.

Awww! and are you one?
AlphDoti
#19 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2012 12:44:54 PM
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limanika wrote:
Earth is 65% water and water is life. Life cannot end for the reasons cited. One thing you must know is that human flesh has no place in the universe. But the soul surely has a place in the cosmos. Remember, as Einstein said, space and time are just 'stubborn illusions'

@limanika Shame on you
A scenario referred to as the heat death of the universe says due to expansion:
Quote:
...All of the energy in the universe will then be distributed in a more or less uniform way at some extremely low temperature, and as the universe continues to expand this temperature will fall and the universe will become ever more empty and cold.


So don't you think the water will freeze? What happens to life then?
tycho
#20 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2012 12:53:32 PM
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josiah33 wrote:
tycho wrote:
josiah33 wrote:
tycho wrote:
[quote=josiah33]A case for space colonisation?- http://www.dailymail.co....ns-Stephen-Hawking.html[/quote]

What Hawking is saying is typical of an atheistic world view, though it has some correct assessments like we are selfish and inclined to war.

But then this view leads him to advocate for space habitation as a way to escape from human nature.

But is it a cogent argument? No.

The Man God will live in other planets because he/she can, and it pleases him.

You never explained to me who this Man God is. How long should i wait for the answer?


I wasn't aware that you had asked such a question. I am sorry.

The Man God is a human who has climbed the ladder to heaven and is one with God.

Awww! and are you one?


Yes. What are you? Who are you?
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