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GARISSA is Burning
sitaki.kujulikana
#21 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:24:17 AM
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quicksand wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
quicksand wrote:
These are problems that have incubated for a long term only now coming to a volatile eruption. Deep seated corruption and destruction of institutions by the Kenyatta, Moi and even Kibaki's regimes ensured that our security organs lost competence ..we can't pay the police a reasonable wage, so for very long they took bribes and allowed criminal enterprise to take root; the state allowed the border between Kenya and Somalia become porous, they can't manage refugees within our borders. Corruption at the Home (Home?) office started selling Kenya's citizenship for a song, end result we have so many undesirables living in our midst doing illegal activity unchecked. They are too many, they have lived here illegally for too long, we can't track them all now.
But leaving Somalia to be a lawless state next door would have been a worse mistake, with more catastrophic consequences in the future.


give due credit, baba uk and baba gidi did a very good job as far as security was concerned, they might have rubbed a number of people the wrong way and in wrong parts - but heck, insecurity was never allowed to sink this low.

somalia has been lawless from the early 90's


Bila. They wrecked Kenya's economy. Security is heavily dependent on a healthy, thriving economy to be reliable. Busting a few people's nuts is not a good security strategy. No credit is due to them. It's like robbing a household and then passing the family members a chapati each to pacify them. Angalia the big picture boss.

boss, big picture ni gani - superhighways with matatus being blown off the same.
I am specific to security not the economy, you can have a secure but poor nation - tz, malawi ..., you can also have a poor but insecure nation.
the former regimes ran a very well organized security apparatus with the provincial administration at the centre.

it like robbing a household then standing guard to prevent the serial killers from coming in.
anagalia the small picture boss, hiyo kubwa haiwezi onekana
kollabo
#22 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:37:08 AM
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When Kibaki was sworn in at night he didn't swear to build Thika road. He swore to protect the lives and property of Kenyans. He has failed miserably.
quicksand
#23 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:38:52 AM
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Well @sitaki.kujulikana let me draw you another analogy that I hope will help illustrate my point.
Kenya's security case is like a patient who contracts HIV, but you say we should be happy with the way the way the early symptoms and maladies were managed,..the colds, fevers and coughs ...the pain killers and anti-biotics chased the pain and discomfort away ...unfortunately now that it is full blown AIDS, the earlier physician was doing a stellar job!! Lets celebrate and give credit for ruining the core infrastructure of things while putting a nice sheen on things.
#FAIL.
Um Sayala
#24 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:42:33 PM
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jamplu wrote:
...3 dead soldiers doesn't mean Garissa is burning stop being sensational. That town has always had insecurity issues since kitambo only this time its being reported. The C in C and all those that he delegates the duties to secure this country should be serious about our safety before things get out of hand!


so when do we start saying its burning....when 50 soldiers die. Things were not normal jana...shops closed...IEBC exercise didnot kick off....3 patriots written off and you call that sensetional....NO by broda.
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Um Sayala
#25 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:51:23 PM
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Gun powder in Garrissa
Link: http://www.nation.co.ke/...8/-/xa8r28z/-/index.html
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jamplu
#26 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:12:44 PM
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Um Sayala wrote:
jamplu wrote:
...3 dead soldiers doesn't mean Garissa is burning stop being sensational. That town has always had insecurity issues since kitambo only this time its being reported. The C in C and all those that he delegates the duties to secure this country should be serious about our safety before things get out of hand!


so when do we start saying its burning....when 50 soldiers die. Things were not normal jana...shops closed...IEBC exercise didnot kick off....3 patriots written off and you call that sensetional....NO by broda.


@umsayala when its truly burning yesterday and today it was an operation by the army to get the killers of their colleagues it has to be done unless hawa watu wazoee and it will continue until they are caught.
sitaki.kujulikana
#27 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:52:45 PM
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quicksand wrote:
Well @sitaki.kujulikana let me draw you another analogy that I hope will help illustrate my point.
Kenya's security case is like a patient who contracts HIV, but you say we should be happy with the way the way the early symptoms and maladies were managed,..the colds, fevers and coughs ...the pain killers and anti-biotics chased the pain and discomfort away ...unfortunately now that it is full blown AIDS, the earlier physician was doing a stellar job!! Lets celebrate and give credit for ruining the core infrastructure of things while putting a nice sheen on things.
#FAIL.


using your analogy, HIV has no cure so its kudos to the earlier physician who managed the early symptoms, considering that ARV's were not yet available - treating the symptoms prolonged the patients life and made it more bearable.

you would expect the current physician to place the patient on ARV's, plus stronger pain killers and antibiotics and if possible do a full blood transfusion. At least to prolong the life and continue making it more bearable as we await the cure.

so its kudos to the earlier physicians
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