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GARISSA is Burning
Um Sayala
#1 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 2:40:46 PM
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KDF will be very busy at this rate.
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radio
#2 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 2:48:01 PM
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THREE KENYAN soldiers in plainclothes shot dead by assailants in #Garissa while changing a flat tyre at a car garage. #KDF
Um Sayala
#3 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 2:48:52 PM
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RIP.My gallant patriots
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maka
#4 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 2:52:36 PM
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radio wrote:
Daily Nation ‏@dailynation
THREE KENYAN soldiers in plainclothes shot dead by assailants in #Garissa while changing a flat tyre at a car garage. #KDF

...crazy.
possunt quia posse videntur
jamplu
#5 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 4:03:37 PM
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...3 dead soldiers doesn't mean Garissa is burning stop being sensational. That town has always had insecurity issues since kitambo only this time its being reported. The C in C and all those that he delegates the duties to secure this country should be serious about our safety before things get out of hand!
InnovateGuy
#6 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 4:50:19 PM
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On security matters, fate is not on our side. The biggest failure seems to be leadership, intelligence deficiency and ill-preparedness. Our officers are not sure who the enemy is, who funds the enemy, and when the enemy is going to strike. Unfortunately, the officers are also not adequately prepared to quell sporadic traces of unrest occurring simultaneously in several areas. Our officers, and the current leadership, have adopted a knee jerk attitude towards serious security threats. This is a very worrying trend going into the elections next year. Historically, the election period has been known to trigger foreseen and unforeseen tensions between communities.

The recent security lapses such as the aftermath of Abdul Rogo's killing ,Tana River and Bargoi killings, expose fundamental weaknesses in the country's security. MRC issue remains unresolved, and who knows what surprises groups such as mungiki have in store? Enter the aftermath of the bus explosion in Eastleigh, and you have the right recipe for disaster. Religious fights might breach our fragile peace in unprecedented terms. It has happened before, it has happened elsewhere,and the current pointers should be acted on swiftly.

I echo another member's sentiments that Kibaki gets an F on matters to do with security. We should place our hopes on the next leadership because the current leadership has not prioritized security.

At this rate, I might need a visa to Faroe Islands. For now, things are not looking up.
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King G
#7 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 4:55:20 PM
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We just need to close the border with Somalia and repartiate all these bloody refugees = men, women and children! Let UN make all the nose, bloody coso coso.

Thieves
kollabo
#8 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 5:06:58 PM
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InnovateGuy wrote:
On security matters, fate is not on our side. The biggest failure seems to be leadership, intelligence deficiency and ill-preparedness. Our officers are not sure who the enemy is, who funds the enemy, and when the enemy is going to strike. Unfortunately, the officers are also not adequately prepared to quell sporadic traces of unrest occurring simultaneously in several areas. Our officers, and the current leadership, have adopted a knee jerk attitude towards serious security threats. This is a very worrying trend going into the elections next year. Historically, the election period has been known to trigger foreseen and unforeseen tensions between communities.

The recent security lapses such as the aftermath of Abdul Rogo's killing ,Tana River and Bargoi killings, expose fundamental weaknesses in the country's security. MRC issue remains unresolved, and who knows what surprises groups such as mungiki have in store? Enter the aftermath of the bus explosion in Eastleigh, and you have the right recipe for disaster. Religious fights might breach our fragile peace in unprecedented terms. It has happened before, it has happened elsewhere,and the current pointers should be acted on swiftly.

I echo another member's sentiments that Kibaki gets an F on matters to do with security. We should place our hopes on the next leadership because the current leadership has not prioritized security.

At this rate, I might need a visa to Faroe Islands. For now, things are not looking up.


Sums up his entire 10years of misrule. It was a mistake ab inito ....Swearing him at night
Gordon Gekko
#9 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 5:17:28 PM
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InnovateGuy wrote:
On security matters, fate is not on our side. The biggest failure seems to be leadership, intelligence deficiency and ill-preparedness.


Spot on. Like I said in a post on the Eastleigh issue, when we put other considerations before professionalism in making security appointments, we systematically dismantled a system that was working. Who remembers Kenya security apparatus at one point being ranked the best in Africa, comparable to Mossad?

It is not a problem requiring brute KDF or GSU strength, we need intel, people who can interpret the intel and advise accordingly.
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#10 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 5:40:05 PM
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King G wrote:
We just need to close the border with Somalia and repartiate all these bloody refugees = men, women and children! Let UN make all the nose, bloody coso coso.


I strongly echo your sentiments.
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#11 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 6:22:45 PM
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Coolio wrote:
King G wrote:
We just need to close the border with Somalia and repartiate all these bloody refugees = men, women and children! Let UN make all the nose, bloody coso coso.


I strongly echo your sentiments.


Kajwang' needs to act now..
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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King G
#12 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 6:55:55 PM
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murchr wrote:
Coolio wrote:
King G wrote:
We just need to close the border with Somalia and repartiate all these bloody refugees = men, women and children! Let UN make all the nose, bloody coso coso.


I strongly echo your sentiments.


Kajwang' needs to act now..


Wapi Mc doba to pass the message to him during kitchen cabinet meeting this week
Thieves
sitaki.kujulikana
#13 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 9:38:30 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
On security matters, fate is not on our side. The biggest failure seems to be leadership, intelligence deficiency and ill-preparedness.


Spot on. Like I said in a post on the Eastleigh issue, when we put other considerations before professionalism in making security appointments, we systematically dismantled a system that was working. Who remembers Kenya security apparatus at one point being ranked the best in Africa, comparable to Mossad?

It is not a problem requiring brute KDF or GSU strength, we need intel, people who can interpret the intel and advise accordingly.


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Dash
#14 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:24:44 AM
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jamplu wrote:
...3 dead soldiers doesn't mean Garissa is burning stop being sensational. That town has always had insecurity issues since kitambo only this time its being reported. The C in C and all those that he delegates the duties to secure this country should be serious about our safety before things get out of hand!


Really?? from what I saw Garissa was literally burning.
digitek1
#15 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:55:56 AM
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in one of mutahi article he mentioned insecurity as reason to postpone elections.
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
Caveman
#16 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:01:21 AM
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Dash wrote:
jamplu wrote:
...3 dead soldiers doesn't mean Garissa is burning stop being sensational. That town has always had insecurity issues since kitambo only this time its being reported. The C in C and all those that he delegates the duties to secure this country should be serious about our safety before things get out of hand!


Really?? from what I saw Garissa was literally burning.

Hope you are an eye witness since what I saw on TV was not fire.
McReggae
#17 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:28:35 AM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
On security matters, fate is not on our side. The biggest failure seems to be leadership, intelligence deficiency and ill-preparedness.


Spot on. Like I said in a post on the Eastleigh issue, when we put other considerations before professionalism in making security appointments, we systematically dismantled a system that was working. Who remembers Kenya security apparatus at one point being ranked the best in Africa, comparable to Mossad?

It is not a problem requiring brute KDF or GSU strength, we need intel, people who can interpret the intel and advise accordingly.


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....to a point where the security personnel feel so unappreciated and they do profiling when sending officers to dnager areas, it's appalling.....in Baragoi the dead police officers were evidently profiled for mission impossible!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:12:54 AM
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These are problems that have incubated for a long term only now coming to a volatile eruption. Deep seated corruption and destruction of institutions by the Kenyatta, Moi and even Kibaki's regimes ensured that our security organs lost competence ..we can't pay the police a reasonable wage, so for very long they took bribes and allowed criminal enterprise to take root; the state allowed the border between Kenya and Somalia become porous, they can't manage refugees within our borders. Corruption at the Home (Home?) office started selling Kenya's citizenship for a song, end result we have so many undesirables living in our midst doing illegal activity unchecked. They are too many, they have lived here illegally for too long, we can't track them all now.
But leaving Somalia to be a lawless state next door would have been a worse mistake, with more catastrophic consequences in the future.
sitaki.kujulikana
#19 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:35:19 AM
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quicksand wrote:
These are problems that have incubated for a long term only now coming to a volatile eruption. Deep seated corruption and destruction of institutions by the Kenyatta, Moi and even Kibaki's regimes ensured that our security organs lost competence ..we can't pay the police a reasonable wage, so for very long they took bribes and allowed criminal enterprise to take root; the state allowed the border between Kenya and Somalia become porous, they can't manage refugees within our borders. Corruption at the Home (Home?) office started selling Kenya's citizenship for a song, end result we have so many undesirables living in our midst doing illegal activity unchecked. They are too many, they have lived here illegally for too long, we can't track them all now.
But leaving Somalia to be a lawless state next door would have been a worse mistake, with more catastrophic consequences in the future.


give due credit, baba uk and baba gidi did a very good job as far as security was concerned, they might have rubbed a number of people the wrong way and in wrong parts - but heck, insecurity was never allowed to sink this low.

somalia has been lawless from the early 90's
quicksand
#20 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:09:10 AM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
quicksand wrote:
These are problems that have incubated for a long term only now coming to a volatile eruption. Deep seated corruption and destruction of institutions by the Kenyatta, Moi and even Kibaki's regimes ensured that our security organs lost competence ..we can't pay the police a reasonable wage, so for very long they took bribes and allowed criminal enterprise to take root; the state allowed the border between Kenya and Somalia become porous, they can't manage refugees within our borders. Corruption at the Home (Home?) office started selling Kenya's citizenship for a song, end result we have so many undesirables living in our midst doing illegal activity unchecked. They are too many, they have lived here illegally for too long, we can't track them all now.
But leaving Somalia to be a lawless state next door would have been a worse mistake, with more catastrophic consequences in the future.


give due credit, baba uk and baba gidi did a very good job as far as security was concerned, they might have rubbed a number of people the wrong way and in wrong parts - but heck, insecurity was never allowed to sink this low.

somalia has been lawless from the early 90's


Bila. They wrecked Kenya's economy. Security is heavily dependent on a healthy, thriving economy to be reliable. Busting a few people's nuts is not a good security strategy. No credit is due to them. It's like robbing a household and then passing the family members a chapati each to pacify them. Angalia the big picture boss.
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