@charlie......

nugu wewe,njinga kabisa,kwani kweni ni westfordshire??......you are the silly type that...............this is not worth replying to!!!

Off for summit at wendz party,wherever it is,wherever it is!! now thats a worthy thing,bure wewe.

If you have money that you expect to start using in five years,it now belongs in stocks.

we have a moron aboard the SK ship!!!!!!

NEVER TALK OF A RHINO IF THERE IS NO TREE NEAREBY - ZULU PROVERB

Bure kabisa. But,last night a pal of mine and myself had a discussion on why miro's seem a little bit daft and he attributed this to those shenzi woolen caps and sweaters our mothers swathed us in as little kids. Come to think of it that was the initial onslaught our brains encountered that's akin to microwaving. Now consider all the negative psych like the one above and you know why miro's carry a psychological milling stone around their shackled necks.

As a man thinketh so is he

What nonsense,I am not going to argue as to whether this findings are correct or false smply because they are irrelevant.

I look at it differently,would one rather be a Michael Jordan,JayZ,beyonce,chris Rock etc or would one rather be some damp asian lab assistant with high IQ,or some white doctor cleaning wounds in Ohio etc.

Blacks are proven entertainers and sportsmen,it takes high intelligence and hardwork to excel in such competitive fields. Intelligence is not all about adding 1 plus 1.

Secondly testing an african villager on european/american oriented IQ test is unfair,I would like to see the whites surviving for 1 day in the congo forest with their high IQ's



I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.

I don't think you can use the same IQ test for Africans and Americans because we live in two different realities.

How do you ask about say simultaneous eqautions to someone who has never been to school.

Furthermore,the poorer you are the less you are likely to pass those tests because of lack of resources.

Think anout it,isn't it the Makinis and all other academies that perform best in KCPE and not those shags schools.

this is most likely a Kenyan living in the States and basically this kind of pseudo-science is always coming off white professional racists to justify their racism. They are always comparing blacks and whites in all aspects and their verdict is always - something is wrong with blacks. Anyway man I hope you stay strong and never forget your experiences home. Otherwise you can easily give into self doubt and feel less - YOUR LOSS their WIN. I think that's all matters. How do you handle this CHALLENGE? - are you going to WIN or LOSE. A modified quote from Desperado the film - are you an Afri-CAN or an Afri-CAN'T?? haha. Fact check below.
Historically speaking whites have used such allegedly 'scientific' tests like the Bell Curve to make ridiculous claims about Africans which have all been proved to be a white lie.
For example during Slavery the racist whites used the excuse of 'Christianity' to justify enslaving people and forcing them to work on their farms. Apparently at that time the excuse was that blacks are so unintelligent that they wouldn't know what to do with freedom so they had to be enslaved - IMAGINE that!
After slavery was abolished and the Jim Crow era came into play,these kinds of pseudo science persisted. For example before a black became the World Boxing Champion - there was a pseudo scientific study that said blacks had a 'yellow streak' that made them incapable of succeeding in such a sport requiring intelligence and courage. So how come we don't see that anymore? Jim Johnson,Mike Tyson and etc already put this myth in its place. Another case of a pseudoscience.

Charley,Africans just have a DIFFERENT value system and DIFFERENT beliefs.
The value system in AFRICA is more social and community/family centered than in the states. In my opinion the quality of life here for most people in Kenya/Africa is way better/happier than for most Americans. We don't have the TALLEST skyscrapers,LATEST cars/bikes,the longest and smoothest highways,everybody living in a mansion / apartment - which by Western standards is what is defined as DEVELOPMENT. BUT we have very strong SOCIAL ties,more LAUGHTER,more FRIENDS,more RELATIVES,we RESPECT our elders,we PARTY more,we generally know our NEIGHBORS,the WATCHMAN at the station is 'SOLDIER', - which makes our lives comfortable - that's how we define DEVELOPMENT. So by our standards Europeans and Americans are POOR and UNDEVELOPED. It all depends on what PROGRESS means to you.
In any case in the next 100 years,we will have the BUILDINGS,ROADS etc etc blah blah blah. But we will also have our social lives and culture. By then we will be way ahead. We have only been in this game for 40 years,it's taken them hundreds of years to get to where they are. But I'm sure this MYTH will again be discounted in the near future.
In terms of intelligence why don't they measure our kids from Starehe or Alliance against kids in American high schools - they will find to their shock that our kids are smarter than them. And maybe they will come up with a reason to disregard those findings and only use results from kids studying in Shags and poor parts of Kenya in order to JUSTIFY their beliefs - because if you're looking for something & your mind is already made up you will find it. That's why you go to an African village give kids the same IQ test as American kids and when they don't do well on your tests you conclude they are less intelligent. Why don't the American kids also take an African IQ test like fetching water,looking after animals,walking lots of miles,knowing about wild plants and animals etc and see if they are also not regarded as MORONS?
Just a sidetrack - the people who wrote this most likely think all Africans live in the desert with a begging bowl in hand or live in a war ravaged country. These are the images people in the States or whatever are fed about Africa.
They would be shocked to see an SK community - Africans online? I'm shocked! Or they would be surprised to come to our middle and upper income areas and see a lot of us have better homes & cars than they do & we still have a BALL.
Finally this kind of pseudo-science is just laughable and ill conceived. Why would anyone do such a study if they are not trying to push an agenda that is tied to their beliefs? Can't real scientists work on real issues like finding a cure for cancer or helping the Americans to avoid feeding themselves to death - an indicator of a low IQ in itself?
Why don't they explain their problems like that? FAT people have a low IQ so we can't help them etc etc. Following this line of thought is like digging deeper and deeper into a sh*thole.
Don't FALL for the trap my friend. Keep your African pride UP like it should be.

Well,this is a fascinating topic and felt I needed to contribute to it as I’m interested in history and I believe history can provide some insights.

When I started reading Charley's first post (the copy paste article),I immediately dismissed the dude as another sorry soul suffering from some form of inferiority complex,and was tempted to ask him to shove it.

Then I read his second post,and realized why he brought up the topic. This is a question that has been asked many times by many people (including myself) and even more people who think they know the answer have attempted to answer it. The above topic (the IQ article) is a classic answer forwarded by your average Joe deluded into thinking that certain races are genetically superior to others. Why do I say deluded? Well,it's a very shallow answer and IQ tests have been discredited severally as a measure of real intelligence (who prepares these IQ tests anyway? How well do you think a Westerner would do on an IQ test on survival,say in a place like New Guinea?).

However,there are people who have attempted to answer the question much better,and one of them is Jared Diamond (Evolutionary Biologist). Now,I've always found scientists who have dedicated their lives to answering specific questions(think Galileo,Newton etc) more reliable (whatever their skin tone) as they welcome criticism and are willing to change their stance based on emerging evidence(think evolutionary scientists). There is one book this guy (Jared) has written that attempts to answer this question - Guns,Germs and Steel; that’s a real eye-opener (I'm currently reading it). Let me give you some tit-bits into this book.

In the prologue,he explains what drove him into attempting to answer this complex question,a question he spent 25 years researching on. It was 1972,and he was walking on the beach of New Guinea. He came across a remarkable and charismatic local politician,Yali,and they spoke for more than two hours. Now,the country was still 'administered' by Australia at that time but independence was in the air. This politician had never been outside New Guinea and had not been educated past High School. He quizzed the author on everything from his job to how the Aboriginals ended up in New Guinea to how White Europeans colonized New Guinea (and not the other way round as Charley here has asked).

New Guineans were using stone tools when the Europeans arrived,bringing steel axes,matches medicines etc (collectively referred to as 'cargo' by the New Guineans then). The white colonialists openly despised the locals as “primitive” and even by 1972,the daftest of these colonialists still enjoyed a far higher standard of living and were referred to as “masters” by even the most intelligent and charismatic of New Guineans. The author says that he and Yali knew perfectly well that New Guineans are on average at least as smart as the Europeans,so his question was (and as is here) inevitable: “Why is it that you white people developed so much cargo and brought it to New Guinea,but we black people had little cargo of our own?”

Now,any lesser mind would attempt a simple answer,such as that offered by Charlie’s first copy paste article. A lesser mind because it takes a great mind to recognize this as a difficult question,as the answer really is not in race (we have the same genetic make-up),rather history.

Ever heard the saying: “Necessity is the mother of invention”? When you argue that Jews are the most intelligent race on earth because the atomic bomb was invented by Jews,you are making a lot of assumptions. For instance,it’s only Britain and France that have developed nuclear weapons in Europe. Is it that the Swiss,Dutch,Germans and other Europeans are of less intelligence? Or are the Pakistanis more intelligent than the Japanese since the former have nuclear weapons and the latter don’t? At the very basic,the people who invented certain items were in more need for them at the time than those who didn’t. Europeans were very war-like (on a large scale) in the middle ages and even before so it’s no surprise to me that they had a head-start on weapons development.

But of course a lot of inventions were not driven by need,rather the need developed when people recognized the potential of the invention. There is also the receptiveness of a society to inventions. Remember that guy from around Nyeri,without an aeronautical background,who was building planes using car engines and actually got them off the ground (but had difficulty landing them safely)? What of professor Obel from UON? Didn’t people laugh at him when he said he’d come up with a cure for HIV? I don’t remember society being supportive. Instead,the Eurasians take note,come over and do research with our scientists on issues such as the prostitutes who were discovered to be resistant to HIV. When the research results were released,I remember the local scientists complaining they were not recognized adequately for their inputs. I don’t remember public uproar in their support. What of patents? Do we really support inventors? Try demo-ing an idea of yours to one of the local companies and see how fast your idea gets stolen,with no recourse.

Most people equate Native Africans with blacks,white Africans with recent intruders. Why? Most people look back into only a few hundred years of history in trying to answer this question,dwelling on European colonialism and slave trading. Yet archeological evidence points to people living on the African continent for more than seven million years! Jared only goes 13,000 years back into history and even in this instance,before the arrival of white colonialists; Africa had not just blacks,but five of the world’s six major divisions of peoples.

Charley,tell you what,I’ve already written way too much on this subject and you can find books written by people who did some serious research into this subject. I’ll be looking for other books too on this as well as other hot-button topics such as religion (The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins,an Evolutionary Scientist,is breath-taking). I won’t even get into that particular topic as it’s even more controversial than this one.

Anyway,some comments by people who have read Guns,Germs and Steel:

“Fascinating… Lays a foundation for understanding human history” – Bill Gates

“The question,‘why did human societies have such diverse fates?’ has usually received racist answers. Mastering information from many different fields,Jared Diamond convincingly demonstrates that head starts and local conditions can explain much of the course of human history. His impressive account will appeal to a vast readership” – Luca Cavalli-Sforza,Professor of Genetics,Stanford University.

So Charley,I’ll recommend this book,and any other written by scientists/historians that have spent their lives researching the issue. Other books so you can contrast historical accounts and criticisms by other people who at least seem to have an idea of what they are talking about. Jared says that professional historians still disagree on historic events,but that’s ok,you will in the process have your mind opened up by the different perspectives and probably be a whole lot more critical of what people tell you,as I have found myself the more I’ve read non-fiction books.

@Masukuma,i want to agree with 100%

Guys Singapore was just a swamp off the coast of Malaysia in the fifties today one of the finest places to live in the world. Imagine they import even drinking water but tap would never dry up.

Harare was a very nice city in 1980 today its a messy,and brother Mugabe was soon going be President without a population.

Nairobi was paradise in 1961 today the whole city is becoming one fat digusting slum.

Only an African leader would encourage people to destroy an eco system and that is happening right in Kenya.Mau forest is one good example.

Even the schools that colonialist built for us,the standard are now much lower than had been intended for an African.

Today thousands and thousands of Africans are runing away from the continent some great number of them dying trying to cross over to Europe because the situation on our continent is one of hopelessness.

United Kingdom is just 1/4 size of Kenya with a population of 60million people,all its citizen has access to basic necessities,while Kenya with a huge landmass and half the population of that of the UK,88% of her people do not have access to basic human neccessity such as water or decent housing.


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..just taking chance that the scientist are right and we are daft as they claim... then why are we not doing anything about our situation if at all we can do... i tend to believe even if you are not smart with hard work and dedication you can beat the smart person in the competition...just like back in school,even if some of us were not smart we used to beat the smart boys buy working harder, learning from our mistakes,and doing it over and over until we got it right...so Africans that's no reason to be where we are ..

there's is always something to hope for...

Charley-interesting source of info you got there. Are you black african btw? Does this stuff define your mother and father?

In any case,please read a bit of History. Even headline stuff going back the last 2,000 yrs will be fine.

Tx skjay- you saved me from writing a lengthy piece.

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