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ChessMaster
#41 Posted : Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:06:25 PM
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Social entrepreneurship and crowd sourcing are a threat to organizations because it empowers individuals. I don't see how organizations will support this.For example, in it open source software is such a big threat to proprietary software. Look for videos from Gerd Leonhard.He talks about such issues and the changing landscape of marketing.
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Mukiri
#42 Posted : Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:33:53 PM
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2012 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
dettol ad of a dad teaching his son to ride a bike, 'Sometimes, you have to be strong to catch them when they fall, sometimes you have to be strong to let them fall, sometimes you have to be strong to watch them walk away' Priceless!


Brilliant ad.

The way the world is moving is creating ads/experiences/stunts for online media mainly YouTube that are so great customer go searching for after friends recommendations or articles in the papers. Imagine customers demanding for your ad! Some have been watched by numbers close to Kenya's population. We needs to get here.

Here are links to a few examples:

SONY XPERIA

Carlsberg

And my best: TNT

The Return of Dictator Ben Ali


Laughing out loudly You know things, you do!

My take is corruption. We are so prone to short-cuts, you'll find them everywhere. A client will want a great ad for the price of a cheap one.
An ad company will want to maximize its profits, this by underpaying staff, minimizing costs while over billing.
Add this to a populace that pirates and opts for the cheapest products, and you have a kitchen that churns out the crappiest of things. Ads included.

My take is, to get great, on our own, it will take another two or three generations. Even our 'Nairobi Half Life' Oscar nominee is not entirely our ownSad

Proverbs 19:21
ChessMaster
#43 Posted : Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:07:11 PM
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Cheap is expensive. Kenyans are beginning to learn you get what you pay for.
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2012
#44 Posted : Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:20:39 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
We are so prone to short-cuts, you'll find them everywhere. A client will want a great ad for the price of a cheap one.
An ad company will want to maximize its profits, this by underpaying staff, minimizing costs while over billing.


Having worked in an ad agency, I can attest that you've hit the nail 100% on the head. It's still continuing to today and that's why I know there's a lot of potential and opportunity for start-ups and new investment in the ad industry. Because as most of you have earlier noted, creativity is lacking yet that's all businesses pay ad agencies for.

BBI will solve it
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tycho
#45 Posted : Wednesday, November 14, 2012 8:22:48 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Social entrepreneurship and crowd sourcing are a threat to organizations because it empowers individuals. I don't see how organizations will support this.For example, in it open source software is such a big threat to proprietary software. Look for videos from Gerd Leonhard.He talks about such issues and the changing landscape of marketing.


If present organizations refuse to shape up, then they'll go out of business.

Again, the individual they are refusing to empower is already empowered courtesy of social media and ICT in general.
ChessMaster
#46 Posted : Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:45:58 PM
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That's what makes marketing to this generation interesting.
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ChessMaster
#47 Posted : Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:58:34 PM
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Documentary on a networked society
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ChessMaster
#48 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:50:06 PM
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Is marketing to children ethical?
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Mukiri
#49 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:31:56 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Is marketing to children ethical?


You mean the Ice cream karts strategically placed outside the Sunday school? If the labels read 'Jesus is the way' I'm for it, if it prevents junior from ever knowing the spelling of 'Holy Spirit', I'm against itsmile

Proverbs 19:21
essyk
#50 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:04:44 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Is marketing to children ethical?


Depends on the maturity of the kids.
Marketing anything to kids, whose world revolve around want want and more want is unhealthy.
A child thinks about now/today and desires to fulfill that cz tomorrow is not in their vocabulary.
But kids needs freedom of expression and choice.
That must be exercised in a guided manner.






"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
ChessMaster
#51 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:10:55 PM
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Not in that sense but that is still unfair. I mean in tv,magazines,schools...children can't discern the intentions of marketing and advertising and in turn are manipulated.This brings problem in the house. Is this ethical because marketers say its the parents responsibility to raise their kids and protect them from abuse but they are the ones bombarding them with advertisements.
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essyk
#52 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:35:35 PM
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It's business and for it to thrive, money must come in.
We all know how convincing and demanding children can be.
A parent will most likely give in to pressure from the kid than from the marketer.
So who do you target? the children.
At that point the resposibility is the parent's.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
ChessMaster
#53 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:06:52 AM
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I understand its business as usual but is there a line when it comes to our children. Check out these two links first before you answer and they are not jokes. Would you buy your kid any of these barbie dolls
Other interesting toys
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2012
#54 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 8:45:19 AM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Is marketing to children ethical?



No it is not ethical in Kenya and most countries in the world. That said, there's a very thin line and loopholes in marketing especially in advertising because kids get attracted to visual and moving pictures (video) more than adults not forgetting the fact that they are more curious, impressionable and have very active imaginations. I'm not even worried about the things made for kids, it's the other stuff that 'not targeted' to them but get to them.

What marketers do is pretend to do adverts targeted at the mother eg in juices, chocolates and sweets while we all know the truth. The placement of items in the shelves of supermarkets and at the till will also tell you a lot on who is being targeted, just observe the next time you visit a supermarket.

Another dark side most people don't know is recruitment to brands happens earlier in life when people are still impressionable and don't be surprised if you find yourself taking a Tusker because your father drunk that or you saw an advert 10yrs ago that stuck in your head.

BBI will solve it
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ChessMaster
#55 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 9:01:39 AM
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2012 wrote:

I'm not even worried about the things made for kids, it's the other stuff that 'not targeted' to them but get to them.

Another dark side most people don't know is recruitment to brands happens earlier in life when people are still impressionable and don't be surprised if you find yourself taking a Tusker because your father drunk that or you saw an advert 10yrs ago that stuck in your head.


Can I ask what you mean by that?Having a child at the counter of supermarkets especially if there is a line is torture to both child and parent.

2012 wrote:

Another dark side most people don't know is recruitment to brands happens earlier in life when people are still impressionable and don't be surprised if you find yourself taking a Tusker because your father drunk that or you saw an advert 10yrs ago that stuck in your head.


I once watched an ad where a kid walks in a car dealership and asks to see a car. When going he tells the sales rep to give him a card and he'll see him in 20years.
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2012
#56 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 10:02:47 AM
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ChessMaster wrote:
Can I ask what you mean by that?



Recruitment into brands happen earlier in life. By the time you're 15yrs your mind is made up on most of the brands you'll need -most are the brands your parents used as humans are creatures of habit - eg toothpaste, electronics, cooking oil, lotions, cars, schools etc. (just try think about it) You will only experiment later on with similar brands that offer better technology, innovations or new insight that get you emotionally.

BBI will solve it
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essyk
#57 Posted : Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:43:56 PM
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Ok.let's now talk about sales.

Sales/Marketing go hand in hand since one results into the other.

Where are you Chess to shed more light on;

How to crystallize inquiries or ensure they materialise into sales.

How to softly tell off a client you think could be inquiring, for the purposes of presenting your offer to your competitor for price cuttings.

We all love ad hoc clients but they waste time esp if one is dealing with major corporates. I know they can sustain one but they are unreliable and inconsistent.
Is it okay to just turn them away?






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#58 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 12:18:05 AM
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essyk wrote:
Ok.let's now talk about sales.

Sales/Marketing go hand in hand since one results into the other.

Where are you Chess to shed more light on;

How to crystallize inquiries or ensure they materialise into sales.



Understanding the inquiry.The problem with sales is that people are more concerned about getting what they want i.e. money rather than understanding what the client wants.Look at Wazua,people look for recommendations and reviews on products because many sales personnel either don't know or won't share the information.The faster you understand the client and her/his situation,the easier it becomes on both parties.Once the needs of the clients are established next is to inform and direct the client to the appropriate product.

In the end its a negotiation,know what you have and are willing and capable to offer and know what the client wants and is willing and capable to part with.Interest in the client and the possible satisfaction derived from the product will also go a long way to ensure repeat customers and recommendations.

Quote:


How to softly tell off a client you think could be inquiring, for the purposes of presenting your offer to your competitor for price cuttings.

We all love ad hoc clients but they waste time esp if one is dealing with major corporates. I know they can sustain one but they are unreliable and inconsistent.
Is it okay to just turn them away?



You can never know who a client is.They can pretend and actually purchase the product just to understand the inner workings of your venture.Price cutting isn't usually a good strategy unless you can produce cheaply than the competitor or have deep pockets to wear down the competition.My 2cents,don't pay too much attention to your competitors because thats where everything goes wrong.Don't lose focus on whose 'king'.In the long run gimmicks won't work because clients will eventually find and reward the person satisfying them.
essyk
#59 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:35:40 AM
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I come across people who keep saying 'my client this, my client that.
'Now this is where everything goes wrong because clients are becoming personalised!
I need to know how after one has worked hard to bring a client on board,they can surrender them to the company, so that they become a company's client rather than an individual's.
I know that without the co's backbone it's not possible to bring anyone along, but let go! since failure to do so makes it difficult for other staff to handle the client in one's absence.

It doesn't help matters at all when others decide not to deal with the said client because they do not 'understand him'.
Heard of key account administrators? I love the work they do but ok elaborate there, because they love shielding clients and become edgy when anyone else deals with the client.
When that happens everybody pulls away and client suffers.

Not sure if you deeply understand me.
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Ambusa
#60 Posted : Sunday, June 09, 2013 11:01:36 AM
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That's what makes marketing to this generation interesting.
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