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Kenya airways records 6.589bn 1H loss.
maka
#21 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 8:25:25 AM
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murchr wrote:
guru267 wrote:
hisah wrote:
KQ has big bro GoK. So bankruptcy is not an option. Add IFC into the mix, bankruptcy becomes very unlikely...


The only thing that GOK can protect against is liquidation! But when it comes to bankruptcy not even GOK can save KQ..

I hope @murchr et al. can see that 8 years worth of retained earnings have been wiped of the balance sheet... How they will recover that only God knows!

5bob per share pap!!


Keep dreaming

...lets do some artificial spread betting,am looking at it settling at 8-9,btw times are very tough ahead,if we hv a crazy election again KQ will be taken to the cleaners.
possunt quia posse videntur
hisah
#22 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 9:52:53 AM
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guru267 wrote:
hisah wrote:
KQ has big bro GoK. So bankruptcy is not an option. Add IFC into the mix, bankruptcy becomes very unlikely...


The only thing that GOK can protect against is liquidation! But when it comes to bankruptcy not even GOK can save KQ..

I hope @murchr et al. can see that 8 years worth of retained earnings have been wiped of the balance sheet... How they will recover that only God knows!

5bob per share pap!!

Why would gok let kq go under? Wata print pesa for bailout.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
ZZE123
#23 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:59:22 AM
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KQ is suffering from declining passenger numbers as a result of low staff morale… nowadays the cabin crew don’t even smile!
The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
guru267
#24 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 12:21:14 PM
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hisah wrote:
guru267 wrote:
hisah wrote:
KQ has big bro GoK. So bankruptcy is not an option. Add IFC into the mix, bankruptcy becomes very unlikely...


The only thing that GOK can protect against is liquidation! But when it comes to bankruptcy not even GOK can save KQ..

I hope @murchr et al. can see that 8 years worth of retained earnings have been wiped of the balance sheet... How they will recover that only God knows!

5bob per share pap!!

Why would gok let kq go under? Wata print pesa for bailout.


Bailouts usually come after bankruptcy not before! Ask Uchumi...
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Impunity
#25 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 12:31:49 PM
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ZZE123 wrote:
KQ is suffering from declining passenger numbers as a result of low staff morale… nowadays the cabin crew don’t even smile!


They smile like this:

Anxious Anxious Anxious
Portfolio: Sold
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ProverB
#26 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 12:37:13 PM
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ZZE123 wrote:
KQ is suffering from declining passenger numbers as a result of low staff morale… nowadays the cabin crew don’t even smile!


it's amazing...look into wazua archives and you'll find numerous threads on "growing passenger numbers" over past two years..
..i do remember an insult thrown my way for insinuating passenger numbers are crap unless accompanied by figures of operating margins per passenger.. QW specifically had fun with that bit..

...now to find that thread..
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mlennyma
#27 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:02:56 PM
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I have given my holding in kq to my grand children if at all it survives
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ProverB
#28 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:10:25 PM
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come think of it....how long ago was that rights issue?? Didn't KQ portray very "healthy" prospects in their reporting?

Are they trying imply that losses of upto 4.6Billion materialised over a period of 6 Months??

i remember jokes of "cooking books"

#CEO Bonoko

On a lighter note... my brokers advisory in January...when the share price was Kshs20.25!!!!!!

RESEARCH TEAM AIB wrote:
Kenya Airways released the operating performance for the third quarter 2011, Oct – Dec, recording a 6.5% increase from the same period the previous year for a total capacity of 3,560m seat kilometers. The increase was mainly driven by increased frequencies and the introduction new routes. Southern Africa, Kenya and Europe registering the highest growth while East Africa and Central Africa registered negative growth. Total production stood at 2,563m revenue passenger kilometers, a 9.9% growth compared to the same period the previous year. Cargo tonnage increased by 6.2% riding on the wave of increased capacity.

Total passenger numbers stood at 956,742 boosted by the growth in passengers travelling domestically, representing a 15.4% growth.

We note the airline’s drive to grow its capacity by introducing new routes in what has been projected as fastest growing economies, where demand is expected to increase, as it maintains efficiency in its operations is expected to boost its revenue in the long run.



Non committal it is ...but i wish they'd have signed off with...
"Ishidwe!! Pthu! Pepo Chafu!!"

LOL!!
..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16
- 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
King G
#29 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 2:02:35 PM
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guru267 wrote:
hisah wrote:
guru267 wrote:
hisah wrote:
KQ has big bro GoK. So bankruptcy is not an option. Add IFC into the mix, bankruptcy becomes very unlikely...


The only thing that GOK can protect against is liquidation! But when it comes to bankruptcy not even GOK can save KQ..

I hope @murchr et al. can see that 8 years worth of retained earnings have been wiped of the balance sheet... How they will recover that only God knows!

5bob per share pap!!

Why would gok let kq go under? Wata print pesa for bailout.


Bailouts usually come after bankruptcy not before! Ask Uchumi...


Share for vision 2030 :d/
Thieves
Impunity
#30 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 2:07:44 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
I have given my holding in kq to my grand children if at all it survives


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

youcan'tstopusnow
#31 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 2:55:26 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
I have given my holding in kq to my grand children if at all it survives

I beseech you, please don't be so cruel to your wajukuu as to leave them KQ sharesSad
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
sparkly
#32 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 3:40:05 PM
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King G wrote:
guru267 wrote:
hisah wrote:
guru267 wrote:
hisah wrote:
KQ has big bro GoK. So bankruptcy is not an option. Add IFC into the mix, bankruptcy becomes very unlikely...


The only thing that GOK can protect against is liquidation! But when it comes to bankruptcy not even GOK can save KQ..

I hope @murchr et al. can see that 8 years worth of retained earnings have been wiped of the balance sheet... How they will recover that only God knows!

5bob per share pap!!

Why would gok let kq go under? Wata print pesa for bailout.


Bailouts usually come after bankruptcy not before! Ask Uchumi...


Share for vision 2030 :d/

what are they doing with the rights money. I would expect a jump in finance income!
Life is short. Live passionately.
Impunity
#33 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 3:40:24 PM
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And I have read somewhere that this is the worst loss ever reported by a listed company in Kenya's history.

Sad
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

mlennyma
#34 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 3:45:03 PM
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It beat kk in loss hands down
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murchr
#35 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 4:16:34 PM
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This day would have been the worst day to be hammered by mr. mkt but still above 10/- so where is the 5 going to come from?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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guru267
#36 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:16:52 PM
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murchr wrote:
This day would have been the worst day to be hammered by mr. mkt but still above 10/- so where is the 5 going to come from?


5bob will probably come after full year results are out.. But from here the only way is down!!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
VituVingiSana
#37 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:17:14 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
It beat kk in loss hands down
Well, 1) KK will make money in 2H. KQ will probably lose more in 2H. 2) KK has a suitor. KQ has none.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
PROMANETT
#38 Posted : Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:02:30 PM
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Chris Diaz has joined KQ as the marketing director ....Expect a turnaround smile

http://www.whoswho.co.ke/chris-diaz-71662

http://www.bidco-oil.com...oyeedetails.aspx?EID=14

http://www.bidco-oil.com.../newsdetails.aspx?NID=19
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mibbz
#39 Posted : Thursday, November 08, 2012 12:13:31 AM
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turn around perhaps in 2013-14 year,expect 5 bob by march next year.i recommend a sell at its current price to facilitate a future buy at a discounted price
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