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YesuWangu wrote:Quote:WHAT??????????? Ati Africans that don't believe in creation are the inferior species?????????? You have to be kidding me????According to who????? .............
On a level playing field, every race has it's own share of intelligent people and dumabasses but nobody is inferior.
You made me come out of wazua retirement to make that point...I am so hot under the collar...lol Your expression is of the right kind. I love it. I am sure it would have had its intended effect upon Mr. Charles Darwin. I may not have done justice to his words. But his book 'The Origin of Species Or The Preservation of Favoured Races In The Struggle For Life' is the foundation of it all, come to think of it. Many ideas and philosophies are built upon its postulates. Are you in effect calling Mr. Darwin a liar? It will please me mighty greatly if you are. You have no idea how it will, dear hamburglar. Looking wider beyond the poster helps understand the context of his input. Yesu Wangu...First of all, I don't care to read Darwin's books because he is not my god. I don't worship anyone so for you to somehow annoint Darwin as some sort of god to me is simply unfounded.....His opinions are his and his alone, just because he says something does not mean that I endorse him....Unlike you theists that believe everything that you read in the bible, I use my brain to comprehend things and navigate through life, i don't have blind faith in anybody or any book or anything for that matter, I use my brain for my reasoning and logic. So Mr. Darwin might have said something that I might not agree with, why? because he is human and no human being can claim to know our purpose in life and how we came about to be.
I don't know where we came from, I won't front to know where we came from and why we are here and neither should you or any mortal being....You don't know and Darwin doesn't know either, what we know is that we are here now and we are only here for a period of time....For us to go back and forth about whether we were created or whether we evolved would be foolhardy because in all honesty, nobody can claim to know....You have faith that we were created, that's all you can go by, you r faith, but you don't know that for sure, you have never witnessed this god guy create a human being so there is no documentary evidence supporting that claim other than just believing that he did...I also can't tell you that we evolved either because I do not know that and I do not have any evidence to prove evolution....There are theories but at the end of the day, nobody knows shit, they are all just people trying to understand our origin and that's about it.....I don't bother myself with stuff that cannot be proven one way or the other, I worry about what I can control on this earth and what I can control is a commitment to try and make this world a better place....
For this commitment to come to fruition, I believe that I need to be a realist and that's why am an atheist. Atheists don't pray, we DO. I need to be realistic about how we can save kids from starving to death, which is by doing something about it and not by praying to a god that for centuries has never really been interested in answering our prayers to stop the suffering in the world. In my world, if I ask for something over and over and over and I don't get as much as even a reply, it would just be logical for me to stop asking that person for help and try to seek plan B.....My plan B involves taking matters into my own hands and doing something about the starving kids and so many other causes in this world. It just seems to me like this god is not interested in stopping suffering in this world, maybe he is too busy "punishing" atheists like me to worry about a kid that's starving to death even as I type this post.....So, I choose to ignore him until he figures out what the priorities are...he seems really juvenile and I don't have time to play "mysterious" games with him, he can play those games with akina Abraham in "heaven" we need serious people to tackle the srious problems that we face on this earth...
Listen, I could care less what Mr. Darwin says, he and might both be atheists but we do not share a brain...That's the difference between theists and atheists, you guys cannot think on your own, you always have to turn to your missing in action god for help or reference a verse in a book that also tells us to kill people who work on Sundays....Just that one verse is enough for me to steer clear of your holy book. You guys waste time waiting for this god to do things for you when it's obvious that he is not interested in doing these things or maybe, just maybe, he does not exist....Instead of praying (wish) and worshipping (delusions) every Sunday and Wednesday and Saturday etc, wouldn't that time be better spent feeding starving kids in the slums? I know there are theists who do good things in the community like volunteering to feed the poor and things like that, but most theists go to church just by tradition......They do it because their parents did it and it has been passed down to them.....Meanwhile, kids are dying every five minutes while these theists are in church kissing this god guy's ass....Can you imagine if we all stopped trying to rely on this god and actually took matters into our own hands? Can you imagine if all the people who go to church would instead go into the slums with a loaf of bread, a gallon of milk, a book, or even just a friendly visit on Saturday and Sunday and Wednesday? Do you know how many lives can be saved and/or uplifted if we all commited to that? That would be the real "miracle".
Is it that important for this god guy to be worshipped when that time could be used to save a dying child somewhere in the world?...Is this god really that much of an egomaniac that he has to be worshipped every time even when it's evident that that time could be better used elsewhere? Yesu Wangu and Alph Doti, I am not done, I just have to run but I will be back to say some more....
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There is more to life than debating issues nobody has factual evidence on. So Hamburglar how about we make some money instead of pissing people over and over. Kenya is on the verge of greatness, so si you do your civic duty and help people who didnt have equal opportunities as you, to get financial knowledge. It doesnt have to be stocks, there's a property section and im sure there are many who would benefit from your insight. Like how did you get started in commercial real estate, tips on how to succeed, ideas on how to buy your first property etc etc. Hii maneno ingine yote honestly you guys are just wasting time, I dont see you changing theists minds anyday and neither will they change your mind on atheism. So lets help those starving children you so advocate for learn how to fish instead of giving them the fish, it would be nice to hear your views on your chosen field. I was talking to a friend about renting out to people on setion 8 and how lucrative that is since the govt deposits money to your account every month automatically as long as you have a section 8 tenant, thoughts? Si uanze a thread in the property section. Oh and about the Prof, he's a former hedge fund manager so I can understand why he would be hesistant with OTC stocks coz a 10% drop could cost him millions while for us wanjikus its just a couple of hundred.
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tycho wrote:Scubidu wrote:[quote=tycho]Alph has 'united' all 'Gods' and asserted that God is one.
And I assert that humanity is one. This identity is the source of peace and harmony and excellence for all.
Without this identity there can be no conversation, and conversation is 'rooted' in God.
Therefore, Atheism and or agnosticism cannot be true or valid. For is the atheist interested in goodness? Then let him come out of commentating and soil his hands in giving goodness meaning. After all, who else will give the word meaning?
Human identity must entail God identity. Hence at every moment must the human submit totally to God.
And those who submit are the Man God.
Is God meaning? http://www.youtube.com/w...YE08&feature=g-vrec[/quote] Meaning, personality, energy, identity, being, . . . Can i add the words "a true atheist" to your list above? in terms of he/she is... “We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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Nabwire wrote:There is more to life than debating issues nobody has factual evidence on. So Hamburglar how about we make some money instead of pissing people over and over. Kenya is on the verge of greatness, so si you do your civic duty and help people who didnt have equal opportunities as you, to get financial knowledge. It doesnt have to be stocks, there's a property section and im sure there are many who would benefit from your insight. Like how did you get started in commercial real estate, tips on how to succeed, ideas on how to buy your first property etc etc. Hii maneno ingine yote honestly you guys are just wasting time, I dont see you changing theists minds anyday and neither will they change your mind on atheism. So lets help those starving children you so advocate for learn how to fish instead of giving them the fish, it would be nice to hear your views on your chosen field. I was talking to a friend about renting out to people on setion 8 and how lucrative that is since the govt deposits money to your account every month automatically as long as you have a section 8 tenant, thoughts? Si uanze a thread in the property section. Oh and about the Prof, he's a former hedge fund manager so I can understand why he would be hesistant with OTC stocks coz a 10% drop could cost him millions while for us wanjikus its just a couple of hundred. Way to put things into perspective and bring sanity into this thread Nabwire....I have tremendous respect for how you think, it's time we retired this thread and started talking about things that can really make a tangible difference in our lives...I will try and contribute about how I am doing and have done as a developer both in the States and in Kenya.....
I agree on the observation from the hedge fund manager. He would obviously not have time for penny stocks like the wanjikus would....He obviously has bigger fish to fry.
Thanks for knocking some sense into me, I was getting carried away with religion stuff or lack thereof...That's like a virtual slap you just smacked me with...lol...But a much welcome slap.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Scubidu wrote:tycho wrote:Scubidu wrote:[quote=tycho]Alph has 'united' all 'Gods' and asserted that God is one.
And I assert that humanity is one. This identity is the source of peace and harmony and excellence for all.
Without this identity there can be no conversation, and conversation is 'rooted' in God.
Therefore, Atheism and or agnosticism cannot be true or valid. For is the atheist interested in goodness? Then let him come out of commentating and soil his hands in giving goodness meaning. After all, who else will give the word meaning?
Human identity must entail God identity. Hence at every moment must the human submit totally to God.
And those who submit are the Man God.
Is God meaning? http://www.youtube.com/w...YE08&feature=g-vrec[/quote] Meaning, personality, energy, identity, being, . . . Can i add the words "a true atheist" to your list above? in terms of he/she is... No. You can only make your own list then I can ask 'how now, what do you mean?' But as for my list I add 'self conscious'.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/27/2006 Posts: 506
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Where did we come from? The death of stars
Why are we here? As my maths teacher used to say, "the question is not properly defined".
Where are we going? deeper into Kali Yuga, if I was a Hindoo
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I highly respect the Jews. Population under 10million with 120+ Nobel prizes . But their best invention was religion. Humankind slaughtering each other coz of something they don't know work to prosper
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tycho wrote:deadpoet wrote:@tycho, You write well, but I can't really tell what side of the fence you are on....
What do you mean by 'being and not being also' - Have you been reading quantum physics by any chance? There is no fence. Being is choosing; choosing is excluding, or rather, not choosing. When you choose, you do not choose. I have some interest in quantum physics. I've searched on wazua anything to do with quantum physics and this is what poped up. Anyway here is some news Quantum physics proves that there IS an afterlife, claims scientist
->Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism says death is an illusion
->said life creates the universe, and not the other way round
->This means space and time don't exist in the linear fashion we think it does
->He uses the famous double-split experiment to illustrate his point
->And if space and time aren't linear, then death can't exist in 'any real sense' eitherhttp://www.dailymail.co....fe-claims-scientist.html"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:tycho wrote:[quote=deadpoet]@tycho, You write well, but I can't really tell what side of the fence you are on....
What do you mean by 'being and not being also' - Have you been reading quantum physics by any chance? There is no fence. Being is choosing; choosing is excluding, or rather, not choosing. When you choose, you do not choose. I have some interest in quantum physics. I've searched on wazua anything to do with quantum physics and this is what poped up. Anyway here is some news Quantum physics proves that there IS an afterlife, claims scientist
->Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism says death is an illusion
->said life creates the universe, and not the other way round
->This means space and time don't exist in the linear fashion we think it does
->He uses the famous double-split experiment to illustrate his point
->And if space and time aren't linear, then death can't exist in 'any real sense' eitherhttp://www.dailymail.co....e-claims-scientist.html[/quote] The mind, is life itself. That's why saying that life created the 'universe' or 'multiverse' can be shown as true. The mind is an energic system that evolves, and energic systems are 'intelligent' and 'conscious'. Thus the matter of life and death are about quantum states. Death, I'd say, is a lowering of quantum states of human energic systems and life, 'ascent'. For example, the common belief of going to heaven after 'death' generally lowers the quantum levels of our minds and leads to apathy and destruction of both ourselves and the environment. Bodies politic breed corruption and anarchy, and religion becomes a tool of abuse.
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