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KQ is now trading at 13.50 - below rights issue
Mainat
#61 Posted : Friday, November 02, 2012 10:32:59 AM
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A few months to go for Titus
Sehemu ndio nyumba
VituVingiSana
#62 Posted : Friday, November 02, 2012 11:13:00 AM
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It's not the loss but how huge will the loss be for 1H 2012-13 ... that is the question!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Kausha
#63 Posted : Friday, November 02, 2012 12:01:36 PM
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It will be chunky. They grew their fleet by 2-3 planes and opened a few more routes in africa. The result is a total decline in pax volumes. There has been lots of inflation which I doubt they have been able to pass onto passengers. Add in the flight cancellations during the go slow, Egypt air runaway closure, Nigeria upheavels, staff redundancy costs and it certainly looks gloomy! It should also tell us an airline is not a business you add exponential capacity, it's got to be measured and synched to global business cycles.
Ms Mkenya
#64 Posted : Friday, November 02, 2012 5:06:38 PM
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This is the best time to buy..
....above all, to stand.
guru267
#65 Posted : Friday, November 02, 2012 8:24:36 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
This is the best time to buy..


Here's my humble advice... Don't mess with airline stocks!! bankruptcy is always the end result Sad
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
murchr
#66 Posted : Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:04:08 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Ms Mkenya wrote:
This is the best time to buy..


Here's my humble advice... Don't mess with airline stocks!! bankruptcy is always the end result Sad


Really....no...i dont think KQ is doing that badly. Its not a one size fits all scenario in the industry. look at Emirates and Etihad. Focus is key and knowing the market and I think KQ has that right.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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the deal
#67 Posted : Saturday, November 03, 2012 8:36:05 AM
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KQ was just a beneficiary of the collapse of national airlines around Africa...what happens when most of them are revived? More competition for KQ...the Malawi story points to the future.
guru267
#68 Posted : Saturday, November 03, 2012 8:38:06 AM
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murchr wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Ms Mkenya wrote:
This is the best time to buy..


Here's my humble advice... Don't mess with airline stocks!! bankruptcy is always the end result Sad


Really....no...i dont think KQ is doing that badly. Its not a one size fits all scenario in the industry. look at Emirates and Etihad. Focus is key and knowing the market and I think KQ has that right.


@murchr do you notice how the airlines you have mentioned are few and are mainly from oil producing countries??

In the long run higher oil prices, higher competition, and huge huge debt burdens always lead airlines to losses and bankruptcies!!

Why invest in a sector where the odds are greatly stacked against you??
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
murchr
#69 Posted : Saturday, November 03, 2012 9:23:43 AM
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guru267 wrote:
murchr wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Ms Mkenya wrote:
This is the best time to buy..


Here's my humble advice... Don't mess with airline stocks!! bankruptcy is always the end result Sad


Really....no...i dont think KQ is doing that badly. Its not a one size fits all scenario in the industry. look at Emirates and Etihad. Focus is key and knowing the market and I think KQ has that right.


@murchr do you notice how the airlines you have mentioned are few and are mainly from oil producing countries??

In the long run higher oil prices, higher competition, and huge huge debt burdens always lead airlines to losses and bankruptcies!!

Why invest in a sector where the odds are greatly stacked against you??


Africa, the only region growing at an average of 10% in the world currently. How many African airlines control the air? 4 at a maximum, so even if passengers numbers to and from Europe don't grow...local travel and flights to Asia will continue to grow.

What matters is strategy, what will KQ do to make competition irrelevant while offering their services at a desirable rate to the customer?

1. The number of airlines throwing in the towel is a good sign that competition is feeling the heat.
2. Did I read that Malawi is complaining because their Airline was kicked out of business?
3. The lifestyles of Africans are changing, we all want to get there faster (instant-mentality) soon, many more will be flying rather than taking the long bus ride and if KQ manages to capture this lot(mass market) well then..

For a while now KQ's mgt has been able to effectively use fin strategies to cover themselves from the high fuel prices but have failed badly in customer service and relations.

The airline business is not all bad just incase u wanted another airline example, Southwest..has against all odds managed to stay in the green for 39 years now...and counting. So its all about strategy

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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guru267
#70 Posted : Saturday, November 03, 2012 12:35:59 PM
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murchr wrote:
guru267 wrote:
murchr wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Ms Mkenya wrote:
This is the best time to buy..


Here's my humble advice... Don't mess with airline stocks!! bankruptcy is always the end result Sad


Really....no...i dont think KQ is doing that badly. Its not a one size fits all scenario in the industry. look at Emirates and Etihad. Focus is key and knowing the market and I think KQ has that right.


@murchr do you notice how the airlines you have mentioned are few and are mainly from oil producing countries??

In the long run higher oil prices, higher competition, and huge huge debt burdens always lead airlines to losses and bankruptcies!!

Why invest in a sector where the odds are greatly stacked against you??


Africa, the only region growing at an average of 10% in the world currently. How many African airlines control the air? 4 at a maximum, so even if passengers numbers to and from Europe don't grow...local travel and flights to Asia will continue to grow.

What matters is strategy, what will KQ do to make competition irrelevant while offering their services at a desirable rate to the customer?

1. The number of airlines throwing in the towel is a good sign that competition is feeling the heat.
2. Did I read that Malawi is complaining because their Airline was kicked out of business?
3. The lifestyles of Africans are changing, we all want to get there faster (instant-mentality) soon, many more will be flying rather than taking the long bus ride and if KQ manages to capture this lot(mass market) well then..

For a while now KQ's mgt has been able to effectively use fin strategies to cover themselves from the high fuel prices but have failed badly in customer service and relations.

The airline business is not all bad just incase u wanted another airline example, Southwest..has against all odds managed to stay in the green for 39 years now...and counting. So its all about strategy



Good luck to you! Pray
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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