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Zed
#1 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:23:15 PM
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Do you think taking the approach of the western countries and getting electric cars here in Kenya will work?

Save on fuel but pay extra for electricity at the end of the month??

Zed.
mukiha
#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:42:15 PM
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Good idea, in principle.

Electric cars have excellent "fuel" efficiency... if you calculate the shillings per km and convert to equivalent km/L of petrol at current prices.

Biggest challenges are:

RANGE: they typically do 100km at best and need re-charging

RE-CHARGING TIME: Typically 8 to 12 hours to fill the batteries... you might not have that time

POWER: They are generally too weak to carry normal weights... will struggle to carry more that two people!

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chemos
#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:05:23 PM
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Zed wrote:
Do you think taking the approach of the western countries and getting electric cars here in Kenya will work?

Save on fuel but pay extra for electricity at the end of the month??

Zed.



d'oh! d'oh!

PHEV ndio nini.. does it have anything to do with Post Election violence..??
mukiha
#4 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:01:40 PM
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chemos wrote:
Zed wrote:
Do you think taking the approach of the western countries and getting electric cars here in Kenya will work?

Save on fuel but pay extra for electricity at the end of the month??

Zed.



d'oh! d'oh!

PHEV ndio nini.. does it have anything to do with Post Election violence..??


"Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle"

But I think he meant PEV... Plug-in Electric Vehicle [not Post-Election Violence!smile ]
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Mukiri
#5 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:14:27 PM
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It's the way to go... if the oil producing countries allow us, or if we wisen up.

I've always maintained that oil producing countries, throw cash around to frustrate alternative energy. Greedy politicians and CEOs swallow the bait and the masses suffer. Pollution, environmental degradation and cancers notwithstanding.

Why is electricity in Kenya expensive?

But now that we've hit oil, now that South Sudan has broken away, now that we can source our oil 'cheaply', the European cars will come running.

Moi had a grand dream. Pioner 1. When will we buy it and start making our own cars? Or aren't our engineers good(read 'white') enough?


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Impunity
#6 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:46:16 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
It's the way to go... if the oil producing countries allow us, or if we wisen up.

I've always maintained that oil producing countries, throw cash around to frustrate alternative energy. Greedy politicians and CEOs swallow the bait and the masses suffer. Pollution, environmental degradation and cancers notwithstanding.

Why is electricity in Kenya expensive?

But now that we've hit oil, now that South Sudan has broken away, now that we can source our oil 'cheaply', the European cars will come running.

Moi had a grand dream. Pioner 1. When will we buy it and start making our own cars? Or aren't our engineers good(read 'white') enough?



Ugandans (Makerege university) produced a prototype electric car early this year, I have never heard of it since that big announcement was made.
d'oh! d'oh!
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quicksand
#7 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:09:32 AM
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The idea of an electric car is to reduce emissions. A noble idea, but it has several downsides such that in the end, the end result is not viable in the short term.
The idea that electric vehicles have 0 emissions is also false because a lot of national electric grids have a substantial portion of power coming from coal or petroleum.
- An increase in electrical use due to increased plugging of electric cars will lead to an increase in petroleum or coal fired plants. I don't know why they
don't build more hydroelectric plants, may be there aren't enough rivers. If not coal plants, then more nuclear power stations will be built. Nuclear power is clean for the period of time
that the rods haven't been spent - after which they present a serious problem with disposal. The benefit of reduced emissions from the cars will get cancelled out.
-Electric cars need a huge battery assembly (taking up anywhere from 50 to 100kg per car). A battery is full of noxious chemicals such as sulphuric acid, lead, cadmium etc ....
The life of this immense battery pack is about 5 years- after which now these highly pollutant materials start floating around in dump sites, leaking to the ground water or city water systems.
Raw materials for batteries are also found abundantly in North America and Europe, and a lot of car manufacturing is in Asia, meaning a lot of tonnage of dangerous raw materials zipping
around in ships,...an ecological disaster waiting to happen.

In my opinion, a better and more efficient public transport will reduce consumption of petroleum per person - a short term solution. A hydrogen engine is also better,
though the infrastructure capital outlay is very great.
Mukiri
#8 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:24:41 AM
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quicksand wrote:
The idea of an electric car is to reduce emissions. A noble idea, but it has several downsides such that in the end, the end result is not viable in the short term.
The idea that electric vehicles have 0 emissions is also false because a lot of national electric grids have a substantial portion of power coming from coal or petroleum.
- An increase in electrical use due to increased plugging of electric cars will lead to an increase in petroleum or coal fired plants. I don't know why they
don't build more hydroelectric plants, may be there aren't enough rivers. If not coal plants, then more nuclear power stations will be built. Nuclear power is clean for the period of time
that the rods haven't been spent - after which they present a serious problem with disposal. The benefit of reduced emissions from the cars will get cancelled out.
-Electric cars need a huge battery assembly (taking up anywhere from 50 to 100kg per car). A battery is full of noxious chemicals such as sulphuric acid, lead, cadmium etc ....
The life of this immense battery pack is about 5 years- after which now these highly pollutant materials start floating around in dump sites, leaking to the ground water or city water systems.
Raw materials for batteries are also found abundantly in North America and Europe, and a lot of car manufacturing is in Asia, meaning a lot of tonnage of dangerous raw materials zipping
around in ships,...an ecological disaster waiting to happen.

In my opinion, a better and more efficient public transport will reduce consumption of petroleum per person - a short term solution. A hydrogen engine is also better,
though the infrastructure capital outlay is very great.


d'oh! Interesting. Very interesting. Never thought about it that way. Better the devil we know?

I agree public transport might be the way to go. That and controlled bicycle use.

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