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Thread for aethists/agnostics.
hamburglar
#181 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:42:27 AM
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YesuWangu wrote:
The enemy of your enemy is your friend, right? Maybe, within limits.

The African (the one with dark skin pigments and curly hair) who believes he was not created (by a creator e.g God) but instead believes that he evolved must be the least bright human. No offense.

For he is the inferior species, that he has not yet evolved to the sublime intelligence of the other race. Some day he might reach.

I can almost hear the monkey cries now. But these Africans should not be offended if the monkey sounds are made at them. .......... or the cotton plantations revived. d'oh! d'oh!

No, humans are all equal, because all were definitely created.




WHAT??????????? Ati Africans that don't believe in creation are the inferior species?????????? You have to be kidding me????According to who????? You as an African had the audacity to call another African inferior? The Africans might be poorer, less priviledged, less educated, less informed, but by no means are they inferior...The only thing that seperates the Africans from other races is the circumstances that most Africans were born into, but inferior, speak for yourself.

I am African and I have lived amongst many other races in this melting pot they call the USA and I have never been inferior to anybody in my life, ever....Maybe you need a dose of self esteem to make you realise that there is nothing like an inferior race, only an inferiority complex like the one that you are displaying.....

Oh and by the way, I am African and I know that I was not created by this god guy of yours.....And I also know that I am not the "least bright human"...No offense taken....The reason I say that is because I have met many theists who believe that they were created by your god that are dumber than a rock and might fit into your "least bright human" demographic better......The point or subtle insult that you are throwing at us atheists who don't believe in your creation delusions is flawed.

On a level playing field, every race has it's own share of intelligent people and dumabasses but nobody is inferior.

You made me come out of wazua retirement to make that point...I am so hot under the collar...lol
hamburglar
#182 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:58:00 AM
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What is "rightuosness" to you?

Righteousness to me is to do right by my fellow human being, not because I want to be rewarded when I die (like you fake theists) but because it's the right thing to do...


Do u have a child? If yes, have u ever caned him/her?


I do not have kids but when and if I ever have them, I will not cane him/her....Violence (and caning a child is violence, it's not a discipline vice) does not exist in my vocabulary.....I would rather teach and make my child understand right from wrong instead of making them fear me and my cane and thus completely missing out the point of what they did wrong and why it was wrong. I just don't understand religious people and violence, starting with your god and his temper tantrums every time people decide to ignore him....How come this god guy does not understand the benefits of conversation and peaceful conflict resolution? He is so trigger happy....Some poor schmuck looks back and is turned into a pillar of salt, some people in Sodom and Gommorrha party a little too hard and he burns all of them, then has the gull to have a secret meeting with Noah and tells him to build an ark so that he can drown everybody else that was left behind.....This god guy is a scary dude, he really really really needs to check his temper. lol[/quote]
hamburglar
#183 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:09:52 AM
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Laughing out loudly hii inaitwa uchokozi, I doubt anyone can lie about having an MBA from Wharton of all places. But it was funny reading the banter between you guys.
Thanks Hamburglar for the clarification, I have found that the more I learn, the less I know. "the guy" was actually a Prof and he instilled fear in me against OTC stocks, so now im not as risk averse as I used to be. Thanks anyways.[/quote]


I am a little surprised that a Prof would preach against OTC stocks.....That's mildly shocking to be honest with you.

On a lighter note, this Philanga guy has been chokozaring me but it's all good, I don't take it personally, he is an otherwise okay dude...He just doesn't like that fact that I am an atheist, I get that everyday, I have even been told by some people to never step in their houses and also been banned from talking to some guy's kids, lol, but the irony of it all is that I would and have literally walked through the fire to come to the aid of these same people that have so much hostility towards me...It makes no sense....Philanga too is cut from the same cloth as these guys am talking about but the funny thing is that I think he is a smart good dude and I have learned a few new things from his posts.....Maybe someday people will stop confusing atheists for evil monsters....lol
YesuWangu
#184 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:43:21 AM
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Quote:
WHAT??????????? Ati Africans that don't believe in creation are the inferior species?????????? You have to be kidding me????According to who????? .............

On a level playing field, every race has it's own share of intelligent people and dumabasses but nobody is inferior.

You made me come out of wazua retirement to make that point...I am so hot under the collar...lol


Your expression is of the right kind.

Quote:
WHAT???????????


I love it. I am sure it would have had its intended effect upon Mr. Charles Darwin.

I may not have done justice to his words. But his book 'The Origin of Species Or The Preservation of Favoured Races In The Struggle For Life' is the foundation of it all, come to think of it. Many ideas and philosophies are built upon its postulates.

Are you in effect calling Mr. Darwin a liar? It will please me mighty greatly if you are. You have no idea how it will, dear hamburglar.

Looking wider beyond the poster helps understand the context of his input.
YesuWangu
#185 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:56:58 AM
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hamburglar wrote:



WHAT??????????? .............The point or subtle insult that you are throwing at us atheists who don't believe in your creation delusions is flawed.



I just cannot get over your expression! lol.

Anyway, I was rereading your contribution and I noted this salient point. I want to take you up on that. Having known the background of my 'insult', I would like you to prove it as flawed. You will be the first non-creationist who opposes Charles Darwin.

Actually, the book is not 'The Origin of Species Or The Preservation of Favoured Races In The Struggle For Life' but 'The Descent of Man And Selection In Relation To Sex'.

Just for starters, in Chapter 6, Darwin talks about the affinities and genealogy of man. I quote a from page 156:

Quote:
"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla."

(Emphasis mine)

Chapter 7 is on the races of man and is yet another one.

You can read it here: http://darwin-online.org...type=text&pageseq=1


So please reconcile for me your non-creationist / evolution / atheistic and African perspective with Darwins perspectives on your origins, status and future as an African.

I am waiting. While I hope the heat under your collar will not cool down I do hope you will not experience a meltdown, for something has to give way here. It may not be on my side.


Let me also throw in this website for whatever it is worth. http://www.thedarwinpape.../Darwinpapers12HTML.htm


Good luck!
YesuWangu
#186 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 8:38:58 AM
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Take your time Hamburglar, take your time.

As your mental gears are grinding - slowly- I had a thought.

Have you considered relocating to Upsalla in Sweden, or Poland, or Austria or Switzerland, or Vladivostok, or Stalingrad, or Moscow?

If you have not, you should.

You will have a lot more in common with not few of the residents therein and it will certainly be less contradictory for you.

I say this because you are currently enjoying the rights and privileges of a country whose declaration of independence had theistic undertones. ( I have not said it was christian, I have said theistic)

At least, it was certainly not atheistic.

And you have told someone you will teach your child to understand right from wrong. What is 'right'? And what is 'wrong'? What defines them? Would you let your child steal from you or from other members of the society, or kill citizens of your society, or show you disrespect to you and other citizens, or lie to you and the society, or want everything they see the next child with (and then they bug you about it)?

These contradictions evident in your current stand, taken together with your theistic upbringing and also together with your anger against theism, and together with your stand that all men are equal just show that you are merely mad at something. What I would call kufura, or kununa.

You are afraid of going the whole hog. You still want to hold on to bits and pieces of theism (or at least the benefits of theism) while claiming to be atheistic. You are still remembering your upbringing.

Teach a child the way he should go ...... You are fighting hard to depart from it but you are still holding on to it.

Please reconcile these contradictions and let everything about your stand be in harmony with themselves.

Still waiting for you. Do not give up on me now, I beg you.
AlphDoti
#187 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:25:06 AM
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hamburglar wrote:
...Maybe someday people will stop confusing atheists for evil monsters...lol

@hamburglar I engaged you in another thread but you chose to ignore. So I will respect your silence there. I think here is the right place to talk more.

Since you're an intelligent person, how about this Pascal's logic?
Let us assume we do not know whether God exists or not, so we have two choices: To worship God or not.

1. If you worship God,
- then either He exists and you win eternal life when you die,
- or He does not exist and you have not lost anything (like taking a car insurance and you do not have any accident in the year)

2. If you do not worship God,
- then either God exists and you lose big time like non-insured car involved in a serious accident resulting in a right-off
- or He does not exist, and it does not matter (like you did not take up any insurance and you did not have an accident).

What is the best bet here
YOU LOOSE NOTHING BY BELIEVING AND WORSHIPING GOD. WHY?
- Because if you worship God, then you can not lose when you die (like having an insurance and you can get compensated in case of an accident or you do not have an accident meaning no God);
- if you do not worship God, then you can not win (like not having insurance you are not compensated in case of an accident).

But what we are telling you is
We know you do not believe divinely inspired scriptures. Because you do not believe in God in the first place.

But these scriptures have many examples of prophecies that came true.
Surely, this means that they are of supernatural, if not divine, origin.

Would you like to know these things which would only have been revealed by the Creator and not human?
deadpoet
#188 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:55:03 AM
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AlphDoti,

There are a couple of fallacies with Pascal's wager.

First of all, which God?
Annti_Christy
#189 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:57:18 PM
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deadpoet wrote:
AlphDoti,

There are a couple of fallacies with Pascal's wager.

First of all, which God?



I want to move on to yesuwangu because you are wasting my time. He seems more exciting. He seems to think he has it figured out and he thinks I am his friend. I dont like him.

But first I want to knead you yet again as target practise before I move to more worthy opponents.

Have you developed a brain and capacity to produce original thought since you last appeared here? Or are you still bringing your empty head here for more thrashing?

You now want to discuss Pascal? Or you just want to regurgitate what you have heard about him? And drop names here and there trying to appear learned and to impress?
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Annti_Christy
#190 Posted : Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:11:36 PM
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dead brained poet

does it matter which god it is? will it make a difference if it is the christian god or the muslim god or a heathen god like zeus?

will you accept to believe in god if it is a heathen god and not the christian one?

cant you see just how stupid and juvenile you are?
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