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tycho wrote:Scubidu wrote:tycho wrote:@Scubidu, I have been trying to convince myself that I shouldn't be the first to respond to your post, but the pressure in my mind is too high.
Let me begin by saying that there's little benefit in finding a category for your philosophy. Categorization is finalization and you are still in a journey, so not having a category is the true representation of matters.
Besides, you will never find truth in any party. You are the infundibulum.
Every human individual is in the middle of history indeed. There are always those who came first, and there are others who are coming.
But how will the individual deal with this situation now? No doubt you have seen people denying their present and instead hiding in the past and or hoping in the future. These are the dead people walking, prime categorizers who must kill anything and everything they touch.
But inorder to live, you must face 'the great depression'. See, even Buddha himself went through it! And so did Jesus or Mohammed!
As you stand in the middle of history, you realize that you were nourished by those who have gone, and that you need to nourish those who are coming. That is, you are treading on eternity. This is where the saying, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom' comes from.
Contrary to my earlier understanding of philosophy as an acquisition of knowledge and truth, is my present understanding that philosophy is a search, and utterance of the authentic word. The word of the Lord's presence.
That is, the present must always involve God being Man, for man's sake. And does God, or for that matter the Man God have any category? Of course not! He is! His word is the answer.
Can you now see why not all who say Lord, Lord, will enter the 'Kingdom'?
The fake looks like the authentic, doesn't it?
@tycho. Sorry for the delay it's been one of those weeks. Thanks for your comments, although i'm not sure i may have grasped everything you said, particularly your last question. I do understand the part about finding your own way by avoiding categorization esp in this society where association with the like-minded is most important for survival. As for the great depression, I find myself most distracted my experiences to get out of it and so the mind becomes carnal and habits remain cyclical. I guess breaking this trend is what is known as genuine experience, a tale to be pasted on through the ages. But i find it troubling when your searching through religions teachings whose practices are largely supposed to remain static, the text for all ages to last the ages... i wonder if things get lost in translation to the extent the authenticity of word is what the reader makes it. If not then the interpretation of the inspired word is inspired, which is not different than my limited schooling. I have been watching some interesting videos by historian John Taylor Gatto on the origins of the organized school system... an institution built seemly to mold the way we think, but at the same time designed to sway the masses away from free thinking. So in order for me to know if my journey has an end, I'd be curious to know whether the religious institution or the Godly message was meant to unify mankind to singular vision or give so-called 'dead people' a map to traverse the 'middle of history' until they find their own revelation. hoping i'm made some kind of sense here (it's been a long day). What are we talking about? Reading the authentic word? Speaking the authentic word? Being? You read many things; but not all are authentic. So where is the authenticity? What can a teacher give? 'Direction'. Have you started the journey yet? Once you start, you have 'genuine' experience. And can this experience come to an end? Yes i think i was largely trying to identify authenticity of the word by looking at it's original purpose. perhaps i also need a definition of the word word, to me it's genuine experience. I'm wondering can we really have open minds to experience something new or search for meaning when there are mechanisms in place through religion that already interpret those experiences for us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p9OV5t2QIs“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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@Scubidu, what is the answer to 21-3×2+2? The mind goes to what you have learnt from someone else. Every response is retrieved from an acquired 'data base'. So how can we have genuine experiences?
I say the experience is genuine when we realize that we are the creators of reality and take responsibility for it.
I was looking at the idea of 'retrogression' this evening. I think I have been trying to get my life back to when I was four years old. And then I look at NTV's 'unspoken' and I realize so many people are living in protest, trying to regain their innocence.
Innocence turns out to be the genuine experience. And can I regain my innocence?
I must be 'born again'. That is, I must shed all my lessons by realizing that they are all contingent and politically motivated. Everything becomes new.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,225 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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tycho wrote:@Scubidu, what is the answer to 21-3×2+2? The mind goes to what you have learnt from someone else. Every response is retrieved from an acquired 'data base'. So how can we have genuine experiences?
I say the experience is genuine when we realize that we are the creators of reality and take responsibility for it.
I was looking at the idea of 'retrogression' this evening. I think I have been trying to get my life back to when I was four years old. And then I look at NTV's 'unspoken' and I realize so many people are living in protest, trying to regain their innocence.
Innocence turns out to be the genuine experience. And can I regain my innocence?
I must be 'born again'. That is, I must shed all my lessons by realizing that they are all contingent and politically motivated. Everything becomes new. #Word @SufficientlyP
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:@Nabwire,was wondering too why @Hamburger,who claimed in this very thread that he is a CFA and has an MBA to back it up has never commented on anything Finance and prefers attacking God instead  Wish he told us he has a Masters in matters Atheism or stuff like that  @the burger,how about you tell us about black and scholes or MM's Dividend irrelevance theory of 1961. And while at it,maybe you can help us derive the formula,well,for both! Me thinks @Nabwire should have been the one to parade her papers here,at least coz i read her informative posts,and yes,she's one bright young gal with, a bright future!!!@Hamburger,care to learn from her? hii inaitwa uchokozi, I doubt anyone can lie about having an MBA from Wharton of all places. But it was funny reading the banter between you guys. Thanks Hamburglar for the clarification, I have found that the more I learn, the less I know. "the guy" was actually a Prof and he instilled fear in me against OTC stocks, so now im not as risk averse as I used to be. Thanks anyways.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:tycho wrote:@Scubidu, what is the answer to 21-3×2+2? The mind goes to what you have learnt from someone else. Every response is retrieved from an acquired 'data base'. So how can we have genuine experiences?
I say the experience is genuine when we realize that we are the creators of reality and take responsibility for it.
I was looking at the idea of 'retrogression' this evening. I think I have been trying to get my life back to when I was four years old. And then I look at NTV's 'unspoken' and I realize so many people are living in protest, trying to regain their innocence.
Innocence turns out to be the genuine experience. And can I regain my innocence?
I must be 'born again'. That is, I must shed all my lessons by realizing that they are all contingent and politically motivated. Everything becomes new. #Word The answer is 13
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deadpoet wrote:Annti_christy,
You want originality, yet you know little of what has already been written in the past? You've already demonstrated you know zero about Soren Kierkegaard.
So much for trying to steer this thread away from such diatribes. I'm going to back off now, and return to the wu wei approach at looking at life.....
.... oh wait, that's probably a concept Mr-I-want-an-original-thought has never heard of before.
FYI: there's hardly a philosophical thought that hasn't been expressed in some way over the 5,000 years of recorded human history. dead brained poet 'You want originality, yet you know little of what has already been written in the past?' What an argument! What a concession! I hope to sink you so that you never rise again, at least with this claim. Unless you become a christian first. Now who else uses that argument? The people of the book, thats who! 'It is written!' They often defend themselves. Its them who can legitimately use this argument. It is you who claim origniality and that you dont want to be referred to a certain book and look how you have fared when I have used your very postures against you! Pathetic! You should be ashamed of yourself. Cant you simply give readers something new you have thought of? From your brain, preferably, if you have one? Why do you put your faith in another? Why let another think for you? Christians sambaza information they obtain from the bible and your nitwitness criticizes them for that saying they are not thinking for themselves. What nerve you have to do that! You imbecile! While returning to that wu crap apporaches to life, pass by the book and read it too. FYI there hardly a philosophical thought has has never been expressed in some recorded history. Therefore start with some history you can understand, the bible. Now you see why I insist you and your kind are not the sharpest tool in the human shed? Its far more interesting discussing with christians or muslims because they claim not to know everything and thus can bring in varied references and quotes - a truly intellecutal pursuit for the mentally astute - and they can thus be challenged to process it in their heads, unlike you. You either have nothing to process or you simply cannot process. Keep walking dead brained poet. and dont look back. It has been written! Light Bearer
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 The more the words. The less the meaning.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/4/2009 Posts: 700 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:@Scubidu, what is the answer to 21-3×2+2? The mind goes to what you have learnt from someone else. Every response is retrieved from an acquired 'data base'. So how can we have genuine experiences?
I say the experience is genuine when we realize that we are the creators of reality and take responsibility for it.
I was looking at the idea of 'retrogression' this evening. I think I have been trying to get my life back to when I was four years old. And then I look at NTV's 'unspoken' and I realize so many people are living in protest, trying to regain their innocence.
Innocence turns out to be the genuine experience. And can I regain my innocence?
I must be 'born again'. That is, I must shed all my lessons by realizing that they are all contingent and politically motivated. Everything becomes new. @tycho. " I say the experience is genuine when we realize that we are the creators of reality and take responsibility for it... I must be 'born again'. That is, I must shed all my lessons by realizing that they are all contingent and politically motivated. Everything becomes new." Thanks. This I understand and have tried to do since '08. I had come full circle exploring so many religions and came to understand this (also answers a couple of questions i had earlier). But off course it's a long journey I'm hopeful I will be able to share with people and get guidance from God. http://www.youtube.com/w...gh10&feature=related“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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The enemy of your enemy is your friend, right? Maybe, within limits. The African (the one with dark skin pigments and curly hair) who believes he was not created (by a creator e.g God) but instead believes that he evolved must be the least bright human. No offense. For he is the inferior species, that he has not yet evolved to the sublime intelligence of the other race. Some day he might reach. I can almost hear the monkey cries now. But these Africans should not be offended if the monkey sounds are made at them. .......... or the cotton plantations revived. No, humans are all equal, because all were definitely created.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Scubidu wrote:[quote=tycho]@Scubidu, what is the answer to 21-3×2+2? The mind goes to what you have learnt from someone else. Every response is retrieved from an acquired 'data base'. So how can we have genuine experiences?
I say the experience is genuine when we realize that we are the creators of reality and take responsibility for it.
I was looking at the idea of 'retrogression' this evening. I think I have been trying to get my life back to when I was four years old. And then I look at NTV's 'unspoken' and I realize so many people are living in protest, trying to regain their innocence.
Innocence turns out to be the genuine experience. And can I regain my innocence?
I must be 'born again'. That is, I must shed all my lessons by realizing that they are all contingent and politically motivated. Everything becomes new. @tycho. " I say the experience is genuine when we realize that we are the creators of reality and take responsibility for it... I must be 'born again'. That is, I must shed all my lessons by realizing that they are all contingent and politically motivated. Everything becomes new." Thanks. This I understand and have tried to do since '08. I had come full circle exploring so many religions and came to understand this (also answers a couple of questions i had earlier). But off course it's a long journey I'm hopeful I will be able to share with people and get guidance from God. http://www.youtube.com/w...h10&feature=related[/quote] Most welcome @Scubidu!
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