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Thread for aethists/agnostics.
tycho
#161 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 3:09:12 PM
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@Scubidu, I have been trying to convince myself that I shouldn't be the first to respond to your post, but the pressure in my mind is too high.

Let me begin by saying that there's little benefit in finding a category for your philosophy. Categorization is finalization and you are still in a journey, so not having a category is the true representation of matters.

Besides, you will never find truth in any party. You are the infundibulum.

Every human individual is in the middle of history indeed. There are always those who came first, and there are others who are coming.

But how will the individual deal with this situation now? No doubt you have seen people denying their present and instead hiding in the past and or hoping in the future. These are the dead people walking, prime categorizers who must kill anything and everything they touch.

But inorder to live, you must face 'the great depression'. See, even Buddha himself went through it! And so did Jesus or Mohammed!

As you stand in the middle of history, you realize that you were nourished by those who have gone, and that you need to nourish those who are coming. That is, you are treading on eternity. This is where the saying, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom' comes from.

Contrary to my earlier understanding of philosophy as an acquisition of knowledge and truth, is my present understanding that philosophy is a search, and utterance of the authentic word. The word of the Lord's presence.

That is, the present must always involve God being Man, for man's sake. And does God, or for that matter the Man God have any category? Of course not! He is! His word is the answer.

Can you now see why not all who say Lord, Lord, will enter the 'Kingdom'?

The fake looks like the authentic, doesn't it?
Behemoth
#162 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 2:10:44 PM
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Joined: 8/7/2012
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hamburglar wrote:
maka wrote:
What if indeed there is a God and at 1 point in time the world does come to an end and judgement thereafter takes place,would the atheist admit they were wrong?



If that ever happened, that would be a great opportunity to ask this god guy some very serious questions about his shoddy job as god....I would love to come face to face with him so that I can ask him why he let children starve to death when he could had intervened and saved them and why he did not give us a cure to all these diseases that are killing people everyday...
I would love that opportunity to question his work on a lot of things....If he is unhappy with my questions and send me to hell, then I would gladly go to hell because I don't want to be associated with a god like that in the first place who had the ability to end suffering on earth and did nothing about it..That is not the kind of person I want to be around....

It is not God who led us to our suffering, rather we led ourselves. So if there is a finger to be pointed, it is towards me & u.

The ability to end the suffering is in our hands, not in God’s.


If his priority would be to send me to hell to burn for eternity instead of answering my questions, then I would tell him to his face that he is an evil man/thing for inflicting such pain as burning somebody on his "child" just because I had questions....If seeking answers from him is sin that is punishable by burning in eternal fire, then I will gladly walk into hell and high five satan because I don't want to be in a heaven full of hypocrites....


His priority is not to send anyone, not even you to hell. Hell wasn’t meant for any human. He doenst fear being questioned. Matter of fact, religious pastors are the ones who have larglely misrepresented God. Recall that Jesus himself used to be questioned by any Tom dick & hurry & He never avoided the questions. But amongst the reason we dont get much from Him is what I wud compare to having a radio & complaining that u r unable to listen to station, yet u have not powered or even tuned to the station's frequency.

What have atheists done wrong other than question the existance of your god? Most atheists are more righteous than a lot of these scambug pastors that we see in churches everyday....Atheists haven't done anything wrong, they just don't believe in a deity who throws temper tantrums when people question him or when he doesn't get his way...Maybe he needs to take anger management classes that way he can learn to control his temper and also take some courses on conflict management where maybe he can learn to dialogue with people who have a different opinion of him without burning them or flooding the earth and killing everybody.....Your god has some serious issues that he needs to fix before he can judge anybody.....


What is "rightuosness" to you?

Do u have a child? If yes, have u ever caned him/her?



Eagles don't flock, you have to find them one at a time.
Scubidu
#163 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:11:22 PM
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Joined: 9/4/2009
Posts: 700
Location: Nairobi
tycho wrote:
@Scubidu, I have been trying to convince myself that I shouldn't be the first to respond to your post, but the pressure in my mind is too high.

Let me begin by saying that there's little benefit in finding a category for your philosophy. Categorization is finalization and you are still in a journey, so not having a category is the true representation of matters.

Besides, you will never find truth in any party. You are the infundibulum.

Every human individual is in the middle of history indeed. There are always those who came first, and there are others who are coming.

But how will the individual deal with this situation now? No doubt you have seen people denying their present and instead hiding in the past and or hoping in the future. These are the dead people walking, prime categorizers who must kill anything and everything they touch.

But inorder to live, you must face 'the great depression'. See, even Buddha himself went through it! And so did Jesus or Mohammed!

As you stand in the middle of history, you realize that you were nourished by those who have gone, and that you need to nourish those who are coming. That is, you are treading on eternity. This is where the saying, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom' comes from.

Contrary to my earlier understanding of philosophy as an acquisition of knowledge and truth, is my present understanding that philosophy is a search, and utterance of the authentic word. The word of the Lord's presence.

That is, the present must always involve God being Man, for man's sake. And does God, or for that matter the Man God have any category? Of course not! He is! His word is the answer.

Can you now see why not all who say Lord, Lord, will enter the 'Kingdom'?

The fake looks like the authentic, doesn't it?


@tycho. Sorry for the delay it's been one of those weeks. Thanks for your comments, although i'm not sure i may have grasped everything you said, particularly your last question.

I do understand the part about finding your own way by avoiding categorization esp in this society where association with the like-minded is most important for survival. As for the great depression, I find myself most distracted my experiences to get out of it and so the mind becomes carnal and habits remain cyclical. I guess breaking this trend is what is known as genuine experience, a tale to be pasted on through the ages.

But i find it troubling when your searching through religions teachings whose practices are largely supposed to remain static, the text for all ages to last the ages... i wonder if things get lost in translation to the extent the authenticity of word is what the reader makes it. If not then the interpretation of the inspired word is inspired, which is not different than my limited schooling. I have been watching some interesting videos by historian John Taylor Gatto on the origins of the organized school system... an institution built seemly to mold the way we think, but at the same time designed to sway the masses away from free thinking.

So in order for me to know if my journey has an end, I'd be curious to know whether the religious institution or the Godly message was meant to unify mankind to singular vision or give so-called 'dead people' a map to traverse the 'middle of history' until they find their own revelation. hoping i'm made some kind of sense here (it's been a long day).
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
deadpoet
#164 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:03:39 AM
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Joined: 9/27/2006
Posts: 506
Xtians,

Have you ever heard of Soren Kierkegaard? You would do well to read his thoughts on Christianity.
Annti_Christy
#165 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:51:04 AM
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Joined: 8/27/2012
Posts: 320
deadpoet wrote:
Xtians,

Have you ever heard of Soren Kierkegaard? You would do well to read his thoughts on Christianity.


I have no time for most 'christians' but that does not mean I have time for such stupid shenanigans as this.

If Soren sijui-what is the personification of your ideal then the christians are right to have G-d as the personification of their ideal.

Dont you have a brain to give us your own thoughts and your own perspectives that you have formulated yourself?
Light Bearer
tycho
#166 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:17:40 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
Scubidu wrote:
tycho wrote:
@Scubidu, I have been trying to convince myself that I shouldn't be the first to respond to your post, but the pressure in my mind is too high.

Let me begin by saying that there's little benefit in finding a category for your philosophy. Categorization is finalization and you are still in a journey, so not having a category is the true representation of matters.

Besides, you will never find truth in any party. You are the infundibulum.

Every human individual is in the middle of history indeed. There are always those who came first, and there are others who are coming.

But how will the individual deal with this situation now? No doubt you have seen people denying their present and instead hiding in the past and or hoping in the future. These are the dead people walking, prime categorizers who must kill anything and everything they touch.

But inorder to live, you must face 'the great depression'. See, even Buddha himself went through it! And so did Jesus or Mohammed!

As you stand in the middle of history, you realize that you were nourished by those who have gone, and that you need to nourish those who are coming. That is, you are treading on eternity. This is where the saying, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom' comes from.

Contrary to my earlier understanding of philosophy as an acquisition of knowledge and truth, is my present understanding that philosophy is a search, and utterance of the authentic word. The word of the Lord's presence.

That is, the present must always involve God being Man, for man's sake. And does God, or for that matter the Man God have any category? Of course not! He is! His word is the answer.

Can you now see why not all who say Lord, Lord, will enter the 'Kingdom'?

The fake looks like the authentic, doesn't it?


@tycho. Sorry for the delay it's been one of those weeks. Thanks for your comments, although i'm not sure i may have grasped everything you said, particularly your last question.

I do understand the part about finding your own way by avoiding categorization esp in this society where association with the like-minded is most important for survival. As for the great depression, I find myself most distracted my experiences to get out of it and so the mind becomes carnal and habits remain cyclical. I guess breaking this trend is what is known as genuine experience, a tale to be pasted on through the ages.

But i find it troubling when your searching through religions teachings whose practices are largely supposed to remain static, the text for all ages to last the ages... i wonder if things get lost in translation to the extent the authenticity of word is what the reader makes it. If not then the interpretation of the inspired word is inspired, which is not different than my limited schooling. I have been watching some interesting videos by historian John Taylor Gatto on the origins of the organized school system... an institution built seemly to mold the way we think, but at the same time designed to sway the masses away from free thinking.

So in order for me to know if my journey has an end, I'd be curious to know whether the religious institution or the Godly message was meant to unify mankind to singular vision or give so-called 'dead people' a map to traverse the 'middle of history' until they find their own revelation. hoping i'm made some kind of sense here (it's been a long day).


What are we talking about? Reading the authentic word? Speaking the authentic word? Being?

You read many things; but not all are authentic. So where is the authenticity? What can a teacher give? 'Direction'. Have you started the journey yet? Once you start, you have 'genuine' experience. And can this experience come to an end?
deadpoet
#167 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2012 3:05:17 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 9/27/2006
Posts: 506
Annti_Christy wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
Xtians,

Have you ever heard of Soren Kierkegaard? You would do well to read his thoughts on Christianity.


I have no time for most 'christians' but that does not mean I have time for such stupid shenanigans as this.

If Soren sijui-what is the personification of your ideal then the christians are right to have G-d as the personification of their ideal.

Dont you have a brain to give us your own thoughts and your own perspectives that you have formulated yourself?


AnntiChristy,

Wow.

You've just revealed your arrogance/ignorance in one post.

Soren Kierkegaard actually was a Christian, and had some thoughts on how Christians should live their lives. He wasn't atheistic; actually he was kind of a Christian fundamentalist.

He was an existentialist philosopher, and I know about him cause I've read about existentialism. If you're not that close minded, perhaps you can download lecture 7:

http://www.thegreatcours...rse_detail.aspx?cid=437

Next time, at least familiarise yourself about a topic before breathlessly stating your opinion. I was not attacking christians, you dumbbell.
Annti_Christy
#168 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:59:06 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 8/27/2012
Posts: 320
deadpoet wrote:
Annti_Christy wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
Xtians,

Have you ever heard of Soren Kierkegaard? You would do well to read his thoughts on Christianity.


I have no time for most 'christians' but that does not mean I have time for such stupid shenanigans as this.

If Soren sijui-what is the personification of your ideal then the christians are right to have G-d as the personification of their ideal.

Dont you have a brain to give us your own thoughts and your own perspectives that you have formulated yourself?


AnntiChristy,

Wow.

You've just revealed your arrogance/ignorance in one post.

Soren Kierkegaard actually was a Christian, and had some thoughts on how Christians should live their lives. He wasn't atheistic; actually he was kind of a Christian fundamentalist.

He was an existentialist philosopher, and I know about him cause I've read about existentialism. If you're not that close minded, perhaps you can download lecture 7:

http://www.thegreatcours...rse_detail.aspx?cid=437

Next time, at least familiarise yourself about a topic before breathlessly stating your opinion. I was not attacking christians, you dumbbell.



Wow my hairy but.

That does not release you from using your head to tell us something new that you have processed in your head.

Unless your brain is pentium I.

I know your intention. It was not to defend phundamentalists. Dont try to change colors now.

If you are not attacking christians, then please open scripture to them and explain how they should live.
Light Bearer
tycho
#169 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:52:12 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
My spiritual problems began the day I wrongly learned that I needed my mother's warmth. And on each year I added a wish, a need. And as I blew off the candles did I extinguish the flame of my spirit.

And the more I needed, the more I ran to 'God'. A 'God who was seperate from me, a 'God' who was 'so powerful' that he could meet all my needs. My needs became my 'God'.

But now I realize that even as a toddler I didn't need my mother. She was there. And what if she had died just after I was born?

Even as a child I'd stop in my tracks and wonder aloud, 'Who am I'? 'What am I'? And every time, I came with two answers as if I was answering two different questions.

But now I realize that identity is about having one answer to the questions; and realizing that the two questions are really one.

Who am I? The Man God. What am I? The Man God.

And I need nothing. Absolutely nothing.

deadpoet
#170 Posted : Friday, October 26, 2012 7:46:41 AM
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Joined: 9/27/2006
Posts: 506
Annti_christy,

You want originality, yet you know little of what has already been written in the past? You've already demonstrated you know zero about Soren Kierkegaard.

So much for trying to steer this thread away from such diatribes. I'm going to back off now, and return to the wu wei approach at looking at life.....

.... oh wait, that's probably a concept Mr-I-want-an-original-thought has never heard of before.

FYI: there's hardly a philosophical thought that hasn't been expressed in some way over the 5,000 years of recorded human history.
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