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KPLC and Vision 2030 directorate gone bananas!!!
uzimalife
#1 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:48:25 PM
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Another deal going wrong (I hope not). The reason for the World Bank withdrawal of guarantees to the Lake Turkana Wind Power (LTWP) project is valid.

How can we pay for power we are not using. Kenyan technocrats are sleeping bwana!!!



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madammary
#2 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:33:33 PM
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uzimalife wrote:
Another deal going wrong (I hope not). The reason for the World Bank withdrawal of guarantees to the Lake Turkana Wind Power (LTWP) project is valid.

How can we pay for power we are not using. Kenyan technocrats are sleeping bwana!


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I don't undestand this, why would there be a problem absorbing that extra power from LTWP by the kenya power co. when we already have an installed capacity that might not even be enough during peak demand? Ok, our little capacity can take care of the demand even on peak demand afterall but with shida mingi and the power company is wondering why they should buy that extra power. But why are we importing from Ethiopia and will our vision 2030 be achieved na hako ka capacity kadogo hivyo? If we are going to achieve that vision 2030 dream we have to grow to some level of development and growth means more electricity consumption and we(oh! not we-the world bank) are killing some noble green power projects like this.
murchr
#3 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:47:58 PM
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This is another subotage by the WB. Others being the expansion of Msa road. Why do they keep doing this?

We know that in the following years the amount of power that will be needed in this country will increase significantly if/when the steel plant and transportation of oil will commence. So can someone explain what argument the WB has on this because am not getting it.

Simple economics dictates that increase in supply reduces cost.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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uzimalife
#4 Posted : Sunday, October 21, 2012 11:26:53 PM
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madammary wrote:
uzimalife wrote:
Another deal going wrong (I hope not). The reason for the World Bank withdrawal of guarantees to the Lake Turkana Wind Power (LTWP) project is valid.

How can we pay for power we are not using. Kenyan technocrats are sleeping bwana!


http://www.businessdaily.../-/hkf5yqz/-/index.html

I don't undestand this, why would there be a problem absorbing that extra power from LTWP by the kenya power co. when we already have an installed capacity that might not even be enough during peak demand? Ok, our little capacity can take care of the demand even on peak demand afterall but with shida mingi and the power company is wondering why they should buy that extra power. But why are we importing from Ethiopia and will our vision 2030 be achieved na hako ka capacity kadogo hivyo? If we are going to achieve that vision 2030 dream we have to grow to some level of development and growth means more electricity consumption and we(oh! not we-the world bank) are killing some noble green power projects like this.

murchr wrote:


This is another subotage by the WB. Others being the expansion of Msa road. Why do they keep doing this?

We know that in the following years the amount of power that will be needed in this country will increase significantly if/when the steel plant and transportation of oil will commence. So can someone explain what argument the WB has on this because am not getting it.

Simple economics dictates that increase in supply reduces cost.

You can't blame World Bank for an honest judgement. Who will pay the unused power before the transmission line is complete. Even when running close to capacity, we cannot absorb the whole 300MW. The world bank is right, it should be done in phases, so that any hiccups can be dealt with.

We all know that there will be inefficiencies in the system. In case of down time, LTWP will still get paid for lack of absorption. If world bank does not guarantee, who will bear the cost of risk. It becomes a financial risk for Kenyans.

Look at it as a single project.
Robinhood
#5 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 7:22:57 AM
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This is simply another case of crap from the WB. Why has it taken so long to discover that the contract has a problem. How many emergency diesel power producers will lose contracts and how much power do they supply to the grid? This is Msa road expansion all over again. Why do these guys take ages to make a simple decision. Bravo China!

The only point I pick her is the one on phased implementation.
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
kollabo
#6 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 8:53:39 AM
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Am shocked. How can a government in its right mind even think to sanction such an agreement. 70% of unused power??
These Lake Turkana guys can simply choose to delay the project and Kenyans will still pay for it.

Kenya we have a loooong way to go.
kollabo
#7 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 8:57:23 AM
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Somebody wants to prop up somebodys political image before he retires.
VituVingiSana
#8 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 9:50:58 AM
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Robinhood wrote:
This is simply another case of crap from the WB. Why has it taken so long to discover that the contract has a problem. How many emergency diesel power producers will lose contracts and how much power do they supply to the grid? This is Msa road expansion all over again. Why do these guys take ages to make a simple decision. Bravo China!

The only point I pick her is the one on phased implementation.
Better late than never. The major issue/question is HOW WILL IT BE TRANSPORTED TO WHERE IT IS NEEDED not that it is excess of requirements?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mgeman
#9 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 9:59:35 AM
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Simple message to the world bank fools, we don't need you. We have a blueprint showing how much power we need and know that we'll absorb that capacity, not only the 300MW, we are working on much more than that from Geothermal in Olkaria and Menengai. If the worst comes to the worst we will shutdown the expensive IPPs starting with your Aggreko.
I am an African

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2012
#10 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 10:17:29 AM
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We should amend our constitution so that we have a referendum on any offers or loan the govt. wants to procure from IMF and World Bank. One day we will wake up and find 'the whole camel in the tent' as Raila says...

BBI will solve it
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