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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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 no no do not change the subject, answer my questions first before we go to other copy paste stuff... Remember what I said before: Quote:But if you cannot use your own understanding, and you cannot ask or answer something honesty without going to those sites, then it cannot be a good discussion.
You see if a person is genuine and learns something new, he will say, oh yes, I see this or I didn't know that.
But if that person is a liar, he'll say "what about this one, what about that one" and you end up going round is cycles.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/6/2010 Posts: 222 Location: NAMANGA
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you are my teacher, remember? if I do not know something, I will not pretend....as for using my own understanding, the Zaburi says 'do not rely on the hand of flesh or your own understanding, but rely on the LORD'  It is humiliating to be associated with thieves and murderers.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/6/2010 Posts: 222 Location: NAMANGA
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The question I wanted to ask is, Do Muslim preachers perform miracles, or is their religion a dead one, full of empty words?But if you cannot use your own understanding, and you cannot ask or answer something honesty without going to those sites, then it cannot be a good discussion.what? are you trying to limit my thinking capacity? You see if a person is genuine and learns something new, he will say, oh yes, I see this or I didn't know that.
But if that person is a liar, he'll say "what about this one, what about that one" and you end up going round is cycles.ohhh......common, that is not the KORAN OR THE BIBLE you are quoting....has your opinions become scripture? COMMON....DO YOU HAVE THE POWER TO CHASE AWAY DEMONS?It is humiliating to be associated with thieves and murderers.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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YesuWangu wrote:Be that as it may, our God will not lord it over us that certain things do not befit him. The creator of the universe came to earth in a poor home... @YesuWangu If Jesus was GOD:Quote:
1. If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.
2. If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said I ascend to my God and your God? This tells us that we and Jesus have a common GOD.
3. If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"? Can't GOD do anything he wills?
4. If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?
5. If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 19:16 Jesus said "Why call me good, there is none good but One, that is GOD"?
6. If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion? Also see: Jesus's crucifixion in Islam
7. If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?
8. If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus?
9. If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he can't do a single thing of his own initiative?
10. If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?
11. If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?
12. If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?
13. If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD?
YesuWangu wrote:Therefore we can conclude that dictionary definition of blasphemy that you are qouting here is hogwash and irrelevant. Blasphemy is calling yourself God, the Christ/Messiah and saying you can forgive sins. Do words have meaning in your language?Now you're saying English dictionary definition is "hogwash"? There are many examples of blasphemy, one of them is what you quoted from Bible. Quran 5:72-75They do blaspheme who say: "God is Christ the son Of Mary" But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! Worship God, my Lord And your Lord." Whoever Joins other gods with God,— God will forbid him The Garden, and the Fire Will be his abode. There will For the wrong-doers Be no one to help. (this is the God warning to you christians that you make Jesus a son of God)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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There is this Muslim mzee I met in the course of my spiritual journey. At that time I had come to full acceptance of the 'idea' that I was indeed, the son of God, and by extension I was the Man God.
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So the mzee asked for my 'Christian' name. I gave it to him.
'You realize that Allah cannot reproduce like a Man?' He asked. The question took me by surprise. How could one consider God's sonship from that dimension?
'You must declare that Jesus was not and is not the son of God'.
But who was I? This mzee wanted me to surrender myself completely!
'Then you'll become fresh! Like a child!'
That's how I found my clutch straw.
'Whose child?' I asked.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/6/2010 Posts: 222 Location: NAMANGA
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Casting evil spirits is something done in many cultures. If Muslims had an empire do you honestly believe that they had no way of 'casting evil spirits'? Legio Maria, Akorino, and all indigenous religions have this 'facility' yet looking at them I realize that their claims are more of chest thumping and ostracizing 'misfits'. But just recently, the camel broke it's back when I saw some 'evangelicals' trying to drive evil spirits from a girl and claiming that her kin were to be blamed for her woes. I was left with the impression that it was the pastor who was injecting evil spirits into the girl. But where there is light, there is a sound mind and power to heal through speech. And it doesn't have to be incantations, a simple conversation will always do.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Casting out devils became very lucrative biz. We even have the 'Ministry of deliverance' where people pay to have demons cast out.nkt. Why have preachers turned demon hunters instead of flock hunters? Preachers shouldn't go on devil hunting/gathering missions.Those leave as you go about serving God. Lost calling. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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AlphDoti wrote:YesuWangu wrote:Be that as it may, our God will not lord it over us that certain things do not befit him. The creator of the universe came to earth in a poor home... @YesuWangu If Jesus was GOD:Quote:
1. If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.
2. If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said I ascend to my God and your God? This tells us that we and Jesus have a common GOD.
3. If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"? Can't GOD do anything he wills?
4. If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?
5. If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 19:16 Jesus said "Why call me good, there is none good but One, that is GOD"?
6. If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion? Also see: Jesus's crucifixion in Islam
7. If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?
8. If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus?
9. If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he can't do a single thing of his own initiative?
10. If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?
11. If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?
12. If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?
13. If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD?
YesuWangu wrote:Therefore we can conclude that dictionary definition of blasphemy that you are qouting here is hogwash and irrelevant. Blasphemy is calling yourself God, the Christ/Messiah and saying you can forgive sins. Do words have meaning in your language?Now you're saying English dictionary definition is "hogwash"? There are many examples of blasphemy, one of them is what you quoted from Bible. Quran 5:72-75They do blaspheme who say: "God is Christ the son Of Mary" But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! Worship God, my Lord And your Lord." Whoever Joins other gods with God,— God will forbid him The Garden, and the Fire Will be his abode. There will For the wrong-doers Be no one to help. (this is the God warning to you christians that you make Jesus a son of God) So many words to ask a simple question with a simple answer. Jesus took the form of man (you and me). When on earth He was not God, but man (you and me). It is why He suffered, was tempted, went through all the motions, to set an example for us.. and more mercifully, to die for our sins, that we (you and me) may not have to die but find salvation. Pray for the gift of the Holy Spirit, that you may get to understand, that you may get wisdom, for if you cannot create a brain cell in your own head.. then you might be an idiot to think you can use the same brain cells to comprehend. Yes, I said it!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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tycho wrote:Casting evil spirits is something done in many cultures. If Muslims had an empire do you honestly believe that they had no way of 'casting evil spirits'? Legio Maria, Akorino, and all indigenous religions have this 'facility' yet looking at them I realize that their claims are more of chest thumping and ostracizing 'misfits'. But just recently, the camel broke it's back when I saw some 'evangelicals' trying to drive evil spirits from a girl and claiming that her kin were to be blamed for her woes. I was left with the impression that it was the pastor who was injecting evil spirits into the girl. But where there is light, there is a sound mind and power to heal through speech. And it doesn't have to be incantations, a simple conversation will always do. You are in too deep. Have you considered an alternative view?
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