Do you know the author of Hebrew? This should make you thinking.

@YesuWangu This is exactly what I'm trying to make you understand. That people have interpreted the scripture to suit them.

Jesus never said he's equal to God
When he said I and the Father are one, he did not mean they are the same thing "physically", but in mission. Just like saying me and you are one in this.

My friend, Trinity does not exist
Otherwise, explain to me if below English words do not mean literally, but they mean something else:
1. John 14:28 - Jesus says: My father is greater than I.
2. John 10:29 - Jesus says: My Father is greater than all.
3. Matt 12:18 - Jesus says: I cast out devils with the spirit of God.
4. Luke 11:20 - Jesus says: I with the finger of God cast out devils.
5. John 05:30 - Jesus says: I can't of my own do nothing. AS I hear, I judge. For I speak not of my will, but the will of my Father.
6. Mark 13:32 - Jesus says: No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the son, but only the Father.
7. Luke 4:8 - Jesus says: It is written: 'worship the Lord your God and serve Him only'
8. Luke 11:2 - Jesus says: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
NOTE: Not my will, but God's will

9. Matt 7:21 - Jesus says: None of those who call me lord will enter the kingdom of God, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
NOTE: Question is, are you doing God's Will?

That is why I tell you, Muslims are guided by true teachings of all prophets, including Jesus peace be upon him.
Quran 1:4 - You alone we worship, you alone we ask for help.

Anyone who says, not my will but God will is a Muslim
Muslim means the one submits his will to the will of God.
Jesus Christ says, not my will but God's will.

Tell me: was Jesus a Christian? Which church did he belonged to?

What do Muslims believe about Jesus?
- He was a Muslim, and he was one of the mightiest messenger of God.
- We believe that he was born miraculously without any male intervention.
- We believe he gave life to the death with God's permission.
- We beleive he healed those born blind & deaf with God's permission.
- We respect Jesus Christ as one of the mightiest messengers of God
- But he's not God and he's not a part of a trinity.
- Trinity does not exist


You do not think it is necessary to find out the truth? No wonder many are misled by the church, and we see trends like this

Am I doing the will of the Father?

What a question!

What is the will of the father?

Could it be found in 1 Tim 2:3-4? But we have already established who the truth is right?

Or is his will the one found in 2 Peter 3:9?

Or wait, is it in John 6:40?

So does His will in whichever verse include Jesus somewhere & somehow in it?

Maybe you should be the one asking yourself that question.

You claim you are doing the will of God, but are you? You claim you worship Him but want nothing to do with the Jesus part of His will.

And you dont even try hide that how you trample His will underfoot. I am wondering who would love it if people believe Jesus were not God? Satan perhaps? Is there anybody he has made believe Jesus is not God?

As for the link I have been the greatest critic of christians here in wazua. I need not go over that again here. Focus, lets focus.

SOME MYTHS....
But the agent of Romans, Paul, said the opposite......

Paul Died in 67 AD, in Rome, as a result of beheading ordered by Emperor NERO. On the other hand, The Roman catholic church came into existence in 380 AD, some 300 years after the death of Paul!There is no way Paul could have been an agent of the catholic church!

During his life time, he worked with some of the Original 12 disciples of Jesus:

PETER: The first Leader of Christians living in Jerusalem, the first person to preach about Jesus, and the Author of 2 books of the New testament.

JAMES: The biological brother to Jesus and Author of 1 book of the New testament

JOHN: The disciple whom Jesus loved most, Author of 5 New testament books,and who took care of Mary mother of Jesus, after the death of Jesus. He outlived Apostle Paul by 37 years and died in 100 AD

MARK: Author of 1 new testament book, who worked briefly with Paul.......

But the agent of Romans, Paul, said the opposite:
- Hebrew 7:18: The law that came with Moses is weak and useless!!!
- Phil 1:19: He, Paul will pay for what he wrote by his own hand.

Paul could not have changed the bible, in his lifetime, since most of the Original 12 disciples of Jesus were still alive, and would have corrected him. Since there is no written record pertaining to such corrections, it should be assumed that Peter, the leader of the Christians approved what paul taught.

Given that paul was beheaded for being a christian, and peter was crucified on the cross upside down, and that John was immersed in a pot full of boiling oil, which never harmed him anyway, it is safe to assume that they were sure about what they preached to the point of death.

In fact, these ideas came up when they changed the Bible, several years after Jesus went to heaven

The Old testament had been in use for 300 years before Jesus was born. Jesus used it too, and often quoted from it extensively. The Jewish scholars also had several copies of the old testament, which they used in their synagogues to this day. No one would dare change these scriptures....not even paul.

however, the law of Moses as outlined in the Pentateuch is not the same as that in the Quran. The best example is the Amputation of hands....in the old testament, a thief simply had to refund what he had stolen and pay an additional fine of 20%.

The books of the New testament are relatively young, dating from 50 AD to 70 AD. they existed as separate volumes for over 300 years until when the Roman catholic church compiled them into one volume.

The alleged change of the ingil started many years, 7 BC to 6 BC by two prophets: ISAIAH and JEREMIAH through a series of prophecies heralding RELIGIOUS REFORMS. (Jeremiah ch.31 vs 31-34) talks about a new covenant,which also means NEW TESTAMENT, which replaced the old covenant(TESTAMENT) instituted by THE LAW OF MOSSES. Prophet Isaiah goes a head to talk about the characteristics of the person who would usher in the new testament. (see Isaiah ch 9 vs 6-7, his mission in ch 49 vs 1-6, Isaiah ch 50 vs 4-11, Isaiah ch 53 vs 1-12, Isaiah ch.61 vs 1-2) just to mention a few. By the time Jesus started preaching, he was aware of these prophecies, and indeed Identified himself with them (Luke ch.4 vs 16-21).

we can now see that the change of the ingil started 700 years before Paul, and Jesus himself was actively involved in changing the ingil most of the teachings of Paul were based on the writings of these two prophets, who were well recognized by the religious authorities of those days. It is for this reason that the Original 12 disciples of Jesus NEVER OPPOSED Paul's teachings.
DOES ISLAM RECOGNIZE PROPHETS ISAIAH and JEREMIAH? But Jesus did.

His Life
Paul is actually an unknown character. There is no history of a man called Paul or Saul. Nobody can actually confirm who Paul was. Nobody has actually identified Paul or Saul for that matter. We don’t even know his full name. Therefore, we do not know whether Paul was an actual person or simply a fictitious character in a story like Harry Porter written by an unknown author who takes on the name Paul


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Paul
Paul the Apostle (c. AD 5 – c. AD 67; variously referred to as "the Apostle Paul" or "Saint Paul"),[3] also known as Saul of Tarsus,[4] is perhaps the most influential early Christian missionary. The writings ascribed to him by the church (the Pauline epistles) form a considerable portion of the New Testament. The influence on Christian thinking of the epistles ascribed to him has been significant,[5][6] due in part to his association as a prominent apostle of Christianity during the spreading of the Gospel through early Christian communities across the Roman Empire

In June 2009, Pope Benedict announced excavation results concerning the tomb of Paul at the Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls. The sarcophagus was not opened but was examined by means of a probe, which revealed pieces of incense, purple and blue linen, and small bone fragments. The bone was radiocarbon dated to the 1st or 2nd century. According to the Vatican, these findings are consistent with the traditional claim that the tomb is Paul's.[78]

OK over with the superficial stuff.
what do you think about this stuff? (it is a cut and copy job)

I've often said that DELIVERANCE was a regular part of the early church because that is what I heard or read. Well, Buz Milosh of Warrior Ministries has some excellent little books, and in "INTRODUCING DELIVERANCE" he has the following:

"EVIDENCES OF DELIVERANCE IN EARLY CHURCH HISTORY - Casting out demons or evil spirits was routinely practiced in the early church.

Irenaeus Against Heresies, Book II, 32:4 (190 A.D.) - "For some (Christians do certainly and truly drive out devils, so that those who have thus been cleansed from evil spirits frequently both believe and join themselves to the church." DELIVERANCE is also implied to be done by Christians in Book II, 31:2.

Justin Martyr, Second Apology, Ch. 8 (153 A.D.) - This apology was addressed to the Roman Senate. "And they (demons), having been shut up in eternal fire, shall suffer their just punishment and penalty. For if they are even now overthrown by men through the Name of Jesus Christ, this is an intimation of the punishment in eternal fire which is to be inflicted on themselves and those who serve them."

Second Apology, Ch. 6 - "And now you (Roman Senate) can learn this from what is under your own observation. For numberless demoniacs throughout the whole world, and in your city, many of our Christian men exorcising them in the Name of Jesus Christ, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, have healed and do heal, rendering helpless and driving the demons out of men, though they could not be cured by all the other exorcists, and those who used incantations and drugs."

Justin Martyr, Dialogue With Trypho, a Jew, Ch. 30 (150 A.D.) - "For we call Him (Jesus) Helper and Redeemer, the power of whose name even the demons do fear; and at this day, when they are exorcised in the Name of Jesus Christ, they are overcome."

Dialogue With Trypho, Ch. 76 - "And now we, who believe on our Lord Jesus, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, when we exorcise all demons and evil spirits, have them subjected to us."

Dialogue With Trypho, Ch. 85 - "For every demon, when exorcised in the Name of this very Son of God...is overcome and subdued. But though you exorcise any demon in the name of any of those who were amongst you--either kings, righteous men, or prophets or patriarchs--it will not be subject to you. Now assuredly your (Jewish) exorcists, I have said, make use of this craft when they exorcise, even as the Gentiles do, and employ fumigations and incantations."

Tatian, Address of Tatian to the Greeks, Ch. 16 (160 A.D.) - "Sometimes they themselves (demons) disturb the habit of the body by a tempest of folly; but, being smitten by the Word of God, they depart in terror, and the sick man is healed."

Theophilus, Theophilus to Autolycus, Book II. 8 (160-180 A.D.) - Theophilus is refuting the false teachings of Homer and Hesiod who were famous Greek poets. "...And this clearly appears from the fact, that even to this day the demonized are sometimes exorcised in the Name of the living and true God and these spirits of error themselves confess that they are demons who also formerly inspired these writers (Homer and Hesiod)."

Tertullian, Apology, Ch. 23 (197 A.D.) - "Let a person be brought before your tribunals; who is plainly under demonic possession. The wicked spirit, BIDDEN TO SPEAK by a follower of Christ, will as readily make the truthful confession that he is a demon, as elsewhere he has falsely asserted that he is a god."

Tertullian, Apology, Ch. 37 - "Who would save you (Roman Rulers), I mean, from the attacks of those spirits of evil, which without reward or hire we (Christians) exorcise?"

Tertullian, To Scapula, Ch. 4 - "The clerk of one of the courts who was liable to be thrown upon the ground by an evil spirit, was set free from his affliction (by Christians); as was also the relative of another, and the little boy of a third. How many men of rank (to say nothing of common people) have been DELIVERED from demons, and healed of diseases?"

Minucius Felix, The Octavious of Minucius Felix (210 A.D.) - "A great many, even some of your own people, know all those things that the demons themselves confess concerning themselves, as often as they are driven by us (Christians) from bodies by the torments of our words and by the fires of our prayer." (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. IV, p. 190).

Origen, Against Celsus, Book I, 46 (230-254) A.D.) - "And there are still preserved among Christians traces of that Holy Spirit which appeared in the form of a dove. The Christians expel evil spirits, and perform many cures, and foresee certain events, according to the will of the Logos."

Against Celsus, Book I, 67 - "And the Name of Jesus can still remove distractions from the minds of men, and expel demons, and also take away diseases and produce a complete change of character..."

Lactentius, The Divine Institutes, Book II, 16 (250-320 A.D.) - "But they (demons) fear the righteous, that is, the worshipers of God, adjured by whose name they depart from the bodies (of people); for being lashed by the Christians' words, they not only confess to be demons, but even utter their own names." Also DELIVERANCE is mentioned in Book V., 22, and in The Epitome of the Divine Institutes, Ch. 51. Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecturer, 16:12 (350-375 A.D.) - "For He (Holy Spirit) employs the tongue of one man for wisdom; the soul of another He enlightens by prophecy, to another He gives power to drive away demons..."

The Divine Institutes, Book V, 22 - "For these (demons), as long as there is peace among the people of God, flee from the righteous, and fear them; and when they seize upon the bodies of men, and house their souls, they are adjured by the Christians, and at the Name of the true God are put to flight. For when the demons hear of this name they tremble, cry out, and assert that they are branded and beaten; and being asked who they are, whence they are come, and how they have insinuated themselves INTO a man, confess it. Thus, being tortured and excruciated by the power of the Divine Name, they come out of the man."