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Ngara Civil servants housing project
sitaki.kujulikana
#11 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:04:28 AM
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the location is very good, hope the estate management does a good job, in keeping order and security.
the deal
#12 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:05:23 AM
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The best way to do it, is for the civil servant to get a morgage at market related rates according to his/her salary scale & then GoK pays 50% then the other 50% is met by the civil servant...how many civil servants are there? And how many estates of this type are they going to build? The governments role should be more focused on land delivery, if GoK or the CCN could avail more affordable land to property developers then most likely houses in Nairobi could be 50% cheaper.
rryyzz
#13 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:09:13 AM
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shygal wrote:
But then again, how many civil servants would afford a morgage for a house valued at between sh.3.2M and sh.4.2M even at an interest rate of 5%? They should have also develop some I Million shillings houses which would have been been more affordable.



Most employees get some form of benefit that come with their jobs. For these guys, one of their benefits is the 5% interest rate on their mortgage. How many of us on leaving campus wanted to work for Govt.?? Your guess is as good as mine, so why are we complaining now when things seem to be looking up for those in the civil service?
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guru267
#14 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:19:12 AM
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rryyzz wrote:
shygal wrote:
But then again, how many civil servants would afford a morgage for a house valued at between sh.3.2M and sh.4.2M even at an interest rate of 5%? They should have also develop some I Million shillings houses which would have been been more affordable.



Most employees get some form of benefit that come with their jobs. For these guys, one of their benefits is the 5% interest rate on their mortgage. How many of us on leaving campus wanted to work for Govt.?? Your guess is as good as mine, so why are we complaining now when things seem to be looking up for those in the civil service?
Sad


@rryyzz i totally agree with your point! The sad thing is that there are still very many skeptics of GOK here..

But soon they will be believers..
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Kausha
#15 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:55:57 AM
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Lost Government, I found the statement on rates by the HOS cynical. You are subsidizing civil servants who you recently added salaries. The subsidy is two fold, the cost of house relative to the market and the 5% rate.

I would have expected the HOS to say what his 'great' government is doing to alleviate the pain of borrowers who are borrowing at 20%+ and what his government is doing to ensure there is reasonable inventory levels completed each year.....

As for the houses they are worth much less than they are being sold...the real contraptions resembling the 'projects'
VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:13:15 AM
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rryyzz wrote:
shygal wrote:
But then again, how many civil servants would afford a morgage for a house valued at between sh.3.2M and sh.4.2M even at an interest rate of 5%? They should have also develop some I Million shillings houses which would have been been more affordable.

Most employees get some form of benefit that come with their jobs. For these guys, one of their benefits is the 5% interest rate on their mortgage. How many of us on leaving campus wanted to work for Govt.?? Your guess is as good as mine, so why are we complaining now when things seem to be looking up for those in the civil service?
Sad
1) No country became sustainably great based on working for the government. China's ascent started in 1979 AFTER the liberalization [encouragement of the private sector] not due to government jobs or largesse.
2) The civil service in Kenya is too large a % of the total workforce leading to inefficiencies & fiefdoms. The recurrent expenditure out-weighs development expenditure. The latter provides sustainable growth.
3) The self-employed taxpayer NOT the civil servant is the ultimate taxpayer in an economy like Kenya. Kenya has few extractive industries so the 'real income' is from the self-employed esp farmers. Everything else is a derivative.
4) Most civil servants are NOT as hard-working as the self-employed. They open at 9am & close at 5pm. To serve my customers, I will work over lunch, open early & almost always work beyond 5pm. I do not expect a pension, no subsidies, pay VAT, withholding tax, etc. My side hustle is my main hustle. My sick days means no income. My vacation days means no income. My time spent queuing at government offices since the (un)civil 'servant' is having tea, talking on the phone or gossiping means no income.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Dash
#17 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:17:38 AM
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I am going to use the words many of you use when someone here complains about their job or something of the sort. They are told stop complaining and quit your jobs and go into private sector e.t.c e.t.c. I guess if you have a problem with this you can also quit private sector and look for work with GOK and voila, cheap housing. smile
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:34:32 AM
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Dash wrote:
I am going to use the words many of you use when someone here complains about their job or something of the sort. They are told stop complaining and quit your jobs and go into private sector e.t.c e.t.c. I guess if you have a problem with this you can also quit private sector and look for work with GOK and voila, cheap housing. smile
Which is true but a problem too. At some point who pays taxes? Many European countries lost large portions of the 'wealthy' who opted to move elsewhere for tax purposes. The USA encouraged inward immigration of the 'doers' leading to massive intellectual capital inflows. Singapore is doing the same.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
jaggernaut
#19 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:39:04 AM
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rryyzz wrote:


Most employees get some form of benefit that come with their jobs. For these guys, one of their benefits is the 5% interest rate on their mortgage. How many of us on leaving campus wanted to work for Govt.?? Your guess is as good as mine, so why are we complaining now when things seem to be looking up for those in the civil service?
Sad


Well said. No one complains here when companies give their employees interest free loans or banks give their employees loans at 6% when everyone else is being charged 20% plus interest. So let the govt employees also enjoy benefits from their employer.
jaggernaut
#20 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:52:23 AM
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Kausha wrote:
Lost Government, I found the statement on rates by the HOS cynical. You are subsidizing civil servants who you recently added salaries. The subsidy is two fold, the cost of house relative to the market and the 5% rate.

I would have expected the HOS to say what his 'great' government is doing to alleviate the pain of borrowers who are borrowing at 20%+ and what his government is doing to ensure there is reasonable inventory levels completed each year.....

As for the houses they are worth much less than they are being sold...the real contraptions resembling the 'projects'


Wivu???? Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you The houses look good to me. They look just like the apartments in Kileleshwa etc only that civil servants will pay 3.2m instead of 16m.

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