NO MORE OF THAT. AND I REST.
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Good, now that we've got all that venom out of our systems, let's now get back to doing productive things that we could have been doing instead of having this trivial online fight in the first place...

No hard feelings, it seems like we both agree that humanity and the need for civility and progress for mankind is bigger than both our inflated egos combined.....I know my ego can be big sometimes, but I have reasons for that.....Sometimes the ego comes out as a defense mechanism and we both went down that route with all the back and forth "pleasantries" that we exchanged....They came wrapped in colorful language too, which is nice as we approach this festive season....

You sound like a level headed guy, I will give you that, I can even see myself having a cold beer with you if we ever cross paths, but we need to check the egos at the door lest we get into another shouting match where bragging and "I am better than you complexes", take center stage instead of sensible talk . We both failed miserably on that front, but it's ok, it happens to the best of us, even monkeys fall off trees every now and then...I will admit that, figuratively, I took a hard fall from the tree and really hurt my butt cheeks....lol...But that fall will not keep me from going back up that tree....I crack myself up, maybe I should take my show on the road......Have a good weekend dude....Keep doing the good work....Difference of opinion can be healthy sometimes :)

The folly of thinking you know it all...

A Long Island businessman in the 1930s bought an expensive brass barometer to mount in his home. However, when the man pulled the instrument out of the box and started to hang it, the arrow that indicated current weather conditions was pointing hard to "Hurricane."

Angrily, he pounded his palm on the glass face of the barometer. The arrow didn't move. He shook it and then banged it on the table. The arrow still didn't move. This thing was obviously defective. So the next morning he fired off a nasty letter to the manufacturer and dropped it in a mailbox on his way to work in Manhattan.

But sure enough, a storm did roar through Long Island that day. And when he drove home in the afternoon, his house was destroyed ... in a hurricane.

You see, there is absolute truth and there is deception.

@the atheists I am always intrigued by your views.I've copied this from some other discussion in wazua hoping to get answers here. I struggle with these very questions so I hope you can share your opinions with me if you don't mind.

Q1.How do you decide what's good?From what values or beliefs do you base them on?Is a sadist or a psychopath wrong in deriving pleasure from doing hurting others. I ask this because what if you too have been indoctrinated into the belief of good and evil stemming from the pleasure and pain principle.

Q2.Personally I believe you can't be free as a human until you try to resolve the issues pertaining to your existence in this world.If this applies to you,how do you resolve those issues?We don't know where we come from or where we are heading but have faith under our different religions, but as we are all here how do you explain you're existence? I ask these because randomness doesn't produce consistent results and patterns like the universe we live in shows us exists.

Q3.I have also thought about the suffering in this world.I always reach a point which I admittedly can't figure out. Without discomfort,can we know comfort? Without suffering,can we know pleasure? Wouldn't the alternative be us being numb or like computers just being feed instructions?What about prisons on earth,what's your opinion on the matter and on crime?And how much suffering do you cause others with your very existence?I myself see my life and think about all those people who have been screwed over and continue to be screwed over just for a few individuals like us to have the luxury of posting.

Q4.I don't think man's problems stem from materialistic things although they do play a huge role in it.I think they stem from his heart.What's your opinion on that?

Q5.I believe that God exists,so bear with me. Assume just for the sake of discussion that he does,do you think as man we would be able to comprehend his ways through our minds?We haven't even figured out the building blocks of the universe. We haven't even been to another planet let alone solar system. Lets be realistic,we can't even feed ourselves as a planet. How then if only men can't find a common ground between ourselves can we find God?

Am of the opinion you question everything but you do not seek answers at least from a practical perspective.you have asserted that you rely on logic and science.I challenged you to consciously examine your daily actions and quantify how many are logical and are based on the scientific method.They will be quite few.
Human beings are not designed to be purely logical as you seem to imply as we would be similar to robots.

Stephen Hawkins is a priest to the atheist.He and his publishers have curved out an industry and are milking it seriously much more than the priests.He comes up with/ a book/feature every say one year.He knows both Theists and Atheist will buy.Theists, to try and disapprove him;Atheist to affirm their position.Don't expect his equations to make you understand evil e.g What motivated that young man who shot the The same applies for the likes of Dawkins,Harris etc.They are well established in industry.





Logically,you should consider He has.




This is good thinking,Tycho.This is the same dilemma ,Richard Dawkins ,faced or is facing.I'm surprised Hamburglar you did not bother using the explanations He has come up with.


I want to let you know that I don't know jack about quantum physics.

Ok so you know classical physics?


Hamburgler your beliefs I take it are not driven by science but by the fact that you cannot reconcile the fact that an All loving Creature can allow pain and suffering without intervening.

If God exists then He must be Immutable,study what this means.

In addition ,your knowledge of biblical narratives and concepts is wanting.Where did God turn someone into a pillar of salt?

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