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eboomerang
#21 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 10:15:12 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
In such a situation short selling is ideal to reflect the true value of the company because it's not based so much on speculation.

Assuming you are talking about shorting, what do you mean that its not based on speculation?
eboomerang
#22 Posted : Monday, October 08, 2012 10:22:42 PM
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maka wrote:
Will need so many facilities to be put in place e.g securities lending firms to help in covering short positions,central counterpaties to avoid settlement fails etc,the CMA Act will also require various ammendments its a long shot for now,lets deal with the traditional equity and bond trading that we are used to for now...but in due time you,l be shorting all the way to the bank.


In addition, high performance infrastructure is a key requirement to have this kind of trading.
Extremely fast computers, optical speed & bandwidth and extremely low latencies are required.

However I still think that keeping it banned is more reasonable for the kind of society and market that we have.
ChessMaster
#23 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2012 1:29:07 PM
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I meant short selling can be a good mechanism to correct the price of a share if it's overvalued.By speculation,I'd have to say trades initiated not based on solid valuation. Although speculation is a very tricky concept to define in markets.

What do you think about margin trading in Kenya?
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maka
#24 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:04:35 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
I meant short selling can be a good mechanism to correct the price of a share if it's overvalued.By speculation,I'd have to say trades initiated not based on solid valuation. Although speculation is a very tricky concept to define in markets.

What do you think about margin trading in Kenya?

...defenders of the practice of short selling see it as a necessary and desirable feature of the market that plays an important role in providing liquidity and accelerating price corrections.Some believe that short sellers tend to stabilise prices in a declining market by covering their short sale positions often opened at the start of a downturn on the other hand critics argue that it increases share price volatility,exaggerates share price declines and forces the price of individual stocks down to levels that might not otherwise be reached...in extreme cases,short selling may depress the price of a security so much that it could create problems for the company in question,either by undermining commercial confidence or making fundraising more difficult...
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ChessMaster
#25 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:10:42 PM
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Spot on
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maka
#26 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:24:35 PM
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As said before our market needs to evolve more,the right infrastructure put in place,internet execution brokers,multilateral trading facilities etc to start benefitting from some of this trading platforms...margin trading is to risky especially with the kind of companies we have listed on the NSE,profits flactuate a lot,i know it can be a double edged sword but who is ready to loose everything,i dont think any broker would be willing to lend money to a margin trader,kwanza the profits they make are already minimal...mtapatia CMA lots of work to do...not nice,2030 maybe
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ChessMaster
#27 Posted : Tuesday, October 09, 2012 3:02:14 PM
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Maka let the people work.Might mean jobs for some wazuans.
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ChessMaster
#28 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:55:21 PM
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What financial products can we as Kenya develop to fit our current and future markets?
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guru267
#29 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:21:09 AM
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ChessMaster wrote:
What financial products can we as Kenya develop to fit our current and future markets?


ETFs!!!
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Deuteronomy 4:16
ChessMaster
#30 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:53:14 PM
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I agree.We need to up our game when it comes to online trading and the likes.
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#31 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 12:07:36 PM
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It's in NSE's best interest to come up with more products that will boost its revenues. While i'm not for short selling right now given our volatile markets,margin trading can be introduced say in the next 5years or so as well as commodities and futures!
@SufficientlyP
ChessMaster
#32 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 3:57:28 PM
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We need margin trading.At times forex appeals more to me because I can better leverage my money. How do you see futures working in Kenya?I ask this because contracts obligations are not really upheld or respected as they should. Commodities can help especially with planning and hopefully control inflation to an extent. Also what about other derivaties?I think risk mitigation and management options are also lacking.
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maka
#33 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:26:41 PM
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guru267 wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
What financial products can we as Kenya develop to fit our current and future markets?


ETFs!!!

True Tracker funds can actually work at this very moment they have the simplicity of equities and diversifications of unit trusts.Maybe we get an additional -index that is a total return index rather than the priceindex we have this will reduce the tracking errors...
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maka
#34 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:30:15 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
It's in NSE's best interest to come up with more products that will boost its revenues. While i'm not for short selling right now given our volatile markets,margin trading can be introduced say in the next 5years or so as well as commodities and futures!

..My biggest problem with the CMA and NSE is that there is so little investor education going around so many people would have been buying fixed income securities if they just knew how the market works but they dont...they need to up their game on this we should be way far than where we are at the moment.
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Mainat
#35 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 7:40:47 PM
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Shorting is only illegal on the NSE if you are caught. Its been prevalent since the KenGen IPO and CDSC ushered in the new error.

Anyway, imho we just need to have as many stocks listing as possible. I for example think that rather than forcing foreign firms to find 20/30% local partners, we should instead create an additional section for them to list on at the NSE.

We urgently need to bring the so-called OTC market into a more transparent exchange-who bought Suntra shares during them days and was stuck with them for ages. Or even missing out on CIC because you had to open an account with a Sacco et al.
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