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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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essyk wrote:quicksand wrote: You cant analyse love in the short term. .. I just love that line. Quote:Since love is unselfishness, it needs to be mentioned that a natural heart is selfish by nature. You see it even in kids not wanting to share their toys etc.., it takes a daily renewing of the heart for both parties to be able to love unselfishly throughout the marriage, this is why both Adam and Eve first knew their creator prior to knowing each other. They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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eassyk Quote:Mara mingi we christians are confused.Instead we quote scriptures to make up for our inadequacies/failures. Afadhali a non believer who has nothing to quote. Quote:Yeah I know one whose name is Jesus.Was here a long time ago. The sheep he left behind became wolves. By the way youare talking from a christian's point of view yet love as you earlier said cuts across all religions. And I think we christians are the worst when it comes to defining real love. The christian experience is inseparable from the scripture, therefore, it is inevitable that the scriptures be consulted for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. Humans cannot outsmart God, history is there to prove, and if one believes otherwise, let them go a head and exercise their free will. All failure begins with departing from counsel, which results in wrecks in the shorelines of time, hence when looking back, it can be traced to the point of departure from principle. The principles are true to all humans. Doing certain things out of ignorance will not prevent the effects of ignorance from manifesting, such as a smoker who smokes in ignorance, not knowing the negative effects - will experience the negative effects that were caused by smoking. This is why all must be knowledgeable before marriage, and continue to gain while in marriage. Psalms 119: 9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word. 119:10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments. 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Again, If the whole society is not in accord with God's ideals, will you still stand for the truth? Just like Daniel?
In addition to maka's contribution about unbelievers loving: The graces of God are experienced by all. Matt 5:45 "... he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.". And this is how unbelievers are able to love, despite them not acknowledging the deity. Christians will not be the only people in heaven. There will be individuals who will hear the story of Jesus for the very first time while in heaven. How is this so? Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked This means that God judges individuals based on the light that they have received, He will not expect something from someone, who does not know any better. This means that God honors and accepts the worship of none Christians who wholeheartedly, worship what they believe to be God and live principled to what they believe to be true, while He winks at ignorance, He will deal justly with the none ignorant. He will not honor a professed believer who, while knowing the way, chooses to go another, such as not obeying wholeheartedly or being irreverent. The bible is filled with example after example of failures the are a result of disregarding God's counsel Failure occurs when individuals take the helm, instead of letting the word take it's rightful position. Taking the helm instead of letting the word take it's rightful position is why Lucifer fell, it's why Adam and Eve fell, it's why many individuals in bible history fell, and it is why professed believers will and are are falling. They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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D32 wrote:eassyk Quote:Mara mingi we christians are confused.Instead we quote scriptures to make up for our inadequacies/failures. Afadhali a non believer who has nothing to quote. Quote:Yeah I know one whose name is Jesus.Was here a long time ago. The sheep he left behind became wolves. By the way youare talking from a christian's point of view yet love as you earlier said cuts across all religions. And I think we christians are the worst when it comes to defining real love. The christian experience is inseparable from the scripture, therefore, it is inevitable that the scriptures be consulted for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. Humans cannot outsmart God, history is there to prove, and if one believes otherwise, let them go a head and exercise their free will. All failure begins with departing from counsel, which results in wrecks in the shorelines of time, hence when looking back, it can be traced to the point of departure from principle. The principles are true to all humans. Doing certain things out of ignorance will not prevent the effects of ignorance from manifesting, such as a smoker who smokes in ignorance, not knowing the negative effects - will experience the negative effects that were caused by smoking. This is why all must be knowledgeable before marriage, and continue to gain while in marriage. Psalms 119: 9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word. 119:10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments. 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Again, If the whole society is not in accord with God's ideals, will you still stand for the truth? Just like Daniel?
In addition to maka's contribution about unbelievers loving: The graces of God are experienced by all. Matt 5:45 "... he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.". And this is how unbelievers are able to love, despite them not acknowledging the deity. Christians will not be the only people in heaven. There will be individuals who will hear the story of Jesus for the very first time while in heaven. How is this so? Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked This means that God judges individuals based on the light that they have received, He will not expect something from someone, who does not know any better. This means that God honors and accepts the worship of none Christians who wholeheartedly, worship what they believe to be God and live principled to what they believe to be true, while He winks at ignorance, He will deal justly with the none ignorant. He will not honor a professed believer who, while knowing the way, chooses to go another, such as not obeying wholeheartedly or being irreverent. The bible is filled with example after example of failures the are a result of disregarding God's counsel Failure occurs when individuals take the helm, instead of letting the word take it's rightful position. Taking the helm instead of letting the word take it's rightful position is why Lucifer fell, it's why Adam and Eve fell, it's why many individuals in bible history fell, and it is why professed believers will and are are falling. Preach on my brother, preach on! Wages of sin is death.. In this case death of love/relationships. My Bible tells me, not by power nor might.. I, myself, personally have neither the power nor ability to do anything.. not love, not even live; It is only by His grace that I do what I do and I am what I am! It tells me not to fret, not to worry for anything.. but by prayer and petition, make all tings known to Him. I wouldn't worry about love, or money or their inter-relationship. Siwesmek! Nimemwachia Bwana! And if I have any doubts, I'll go back to the word!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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wow! me thinks there should be a wazua church board.Kumbe hapa kuna watu wanalike God. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/23/2009 Posts: 1,626
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D32 what do you think about 1Cor chapter 7 from verse 25? Uncertainty is certain.Let go
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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ChessMaster wrote:D32 what do you think about 1Cor chapter 7 from verse 25? Glad that you brought that up, this is because it contains an unpopular message, which is contrary to the general drift in society. The unpopular message is celibacy. In verse 35, Paul gives the reason for giving such a message. "And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction." The unmarried will have better capacity to do God's work because they will have less distraction. It is believed that most disciples were married, hence: 1 Cor 7:29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none; It is because of the above that the disciples were able to work and all of them became martyrs, maybe except from John who was exiled on the island of Patmos. Certain types of missionary work cannot allow marriage to occur, such as those that the disciples had. Below is Paul differentiating married vs unmarried men and women relative to service. 1 Cor 7:32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: 7:33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. 7:34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. Paul acknowledges those who have power to maintain celibacy, and praises them. 7:37 Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well. Pauls message is very balanced, while he does acknowledge that an unmarried person can do more service, he also does acknowledge that not everybody has the capacity to celibacy hence: 1 Cor 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. Missionaries can marry, if their mission work can permit a healthy marriage to occur. Neither is Paul saying that a married person should divorce for the cause of God. 1 Cor 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. Matthew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Matthew 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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I think you can love without money...It takes a conscious effort and the ability to turn a deaf ear on what society says and thinks, for the two people in love to pull it off....
But it can be done if both parties are comfortable in their skin and don't care much about what other people think about them and how they live their life.....
So yes, it's very possible, (but I am talking in relative terms here, having no money to some people can mean only having a hundred shillings in the bank while to others it could mean only having 1,000,000, in the said bank, it's all relative).......
A lot of couples get themselves in trouble because they are trying to please society and forget that their only obligation is to please each other....You can never satisfy society...
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2007 Posts: 38
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Money is as good as what it can buy, or so it has been said. I believe the question can only be tackled by first exploring 2 issues surrounding it, which really are interlinked: 1) What is money really? Coins and notes perhaps? some of the definitions include: a) medium of exchange; is the medium much more important than what is exchanged? b) symbol or store of value; is the symbol much more important than what it represents? c) etc 2) Do you treat money as a means or an end? Money as a symbol represents our capacity (means) to acquire what we want (end), but I believe many people have it the other way around; the reason it justifies any means. It is really what determines what we want (the end) that we should examine critically. And finally a 3rd issue for me is: what do people mean when they say ‘MY MONEY’? when and how did it become yours? Was it minted or printed specifically for you? How long does it remain ‘yours’? this is a misconception and my hypothesis is that you can never really own money. you can however derive utility from it (depending on how you answer question 2) as it flows to you and outwards from you (the reason it’s called current, oh currency). What determines how much of this current flows your way? Are you positioned upstream or downstream?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/12/2009 Posts: 266
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hamburglar wrote:I think you can love without money...It takes a conscious effort and the ability to turn a deaf ear on what society says and thinks, for the two people in love to pull it off....
But it can be done if both parties are comfortable in their skin and don't care much about what other people think about them and how they live their life.....
So yes, it's very possible, (but I am talking in relative terms here, having no money to some people can mean only having a hundred shillings in the bank while to others it could mean only having 1,000,000, in the said bank, it's all relative).......
A lot of couples get themselves in trouble because they are trying to please society and forget that their only obligation is to please each other....You can never satisfy society... I concur with this.You can never satisfy society and that the only person you should aim to please is God,yourself,your wife/husband and your family.Not the society...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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True love ama? NOTE: I admire the attitude of this man. I mean, what he can do, many here cannot even do with all the legs and hands, pines, and airports.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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AlphDoti wrote:True love ama? NOTE: I admire the attitude of this man. I mean, what he can do, many here cannot even do with all the legs and hands, pines, and airports. That one wants green card. i.am.back!!!!
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